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Kimber 1911's and Case Knives...

Just two products that are built here in the US and requested by Americans. Both of which sell for 25% to 50% more than their foreign counter parts.

Pass me a Croatian Springfield or a Chinese-made Schrade and I'll pass it right back...

I'm a little tired of seeing Springfield Armory flaunting USA on their website, magazine advertisements, and on their pistols when they're being produced in Croatia and their 1911s in Brazil. What's with the big cover up?

Just tell it how it is, it's a foreign made firearm, milking the American name.

Might as well be a Taurus with an American Flag stamped on the side....

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In today's global economy, the term "American made" is increasingly fuzzy. Tell me, which is more patriotic -- a Ford built in Canada or a Toyota built in the US?

Like most of the posters here, I'll buy American but only to a point. American companies need to earn my dollar -- we invented that concept. Frankly, they don't a lot of the time. And I'm tired of companies saying it's too expensive to manufacture in the US and maintain competitive prices. I've lived in Japan, and everything's frightfully expensive there compared to here -- almost all of their natural resources have to be imported, real estate is outrageously expensive, and the cost of living is astronomical. And yet they can turn out a superior product at a competitive price. The problem, I think, lies in American business practices.

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WesternHunter wrote:
I don't agree that paying 10% more for an American made product encourages mediocrity. Not sure what was meant by that statement.

Very simple. If the American made product is lesser quality, or lesser value, and yet I pay more just because it says "made in America" on it then I am rewarding them with a sale, or at least with a price, that they didn't earn. In doing so I am rewarding them for falling short, and encouraging them to continue to fall short. I am encouraging mediocrity. That is most definitely NOT the way to keep American businesses competitive and to protect American jobs.

If, however, the American made product measures up in terms of quality and value then I won't have to be willing to pay 10% more just because of the "made in America" label. They will have earned my business and I will be more than happy to give it to them. THAT is the way to protect American jobs!

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No, you protect American jobs here by making sure that our Uncle Sam stops offering companies tax benefits for setting up shop off-shore. Turns out however to be a bigger task than most people think. You keep jobs here by being that "increasingly rare" American worker who does such an exceptional job at work that no overseas compeditor can match your quality.

True. If an American company is offering an inferior product, then no one should be paying more than for an import of better quality. But, it's not always so cut and dry. Like I say, some USA made products are worth paying 10% more for, then again some are not. It's safe to say that sadly many are not.

One thing really speaks to the point. Expatriate commented on Japanese made products. Jap products are often overlooked in terms of quality. If you really think about it the Japanese have been producing some very great quality products for quite some time and at real reasonable prices too. Products such as automobiles, firearms, optics, electronics, photography equipment produced in Japan are real quality products and often bought and sold for much more reasonable price than those imported from or made in Western or Northern Europe.

I find it very amusing how many folks who I know will often pay more money for a lesser or equal quality product if it says "Made in Germany" or "Made in Sweden", or "Made in Switzerland", or "Made in Finland" . But, even these European countries sometimes produce mediocre quality products today. Heck the Swiss don't even make many of their own watch movements or finished watches anymore and they will go to great lengths to cover up that fact.

But back to the point. I'll reward a company who manufactures a product here by American labor, but only if they make a great product.

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WesternHunter wrote:
If an American company is offering an inferior product, then no one should be paying more... I'll reward a company who manufactures a product here by American labor, but only if they make a great product.

I think we're saying the same thing, just maybe focusing on different aspects.

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You don't think unions have had a lot to do with high priced products and inferior quality? Try to get rid of some deadhead who's not producing or whose work is substandard yet is protected by a union. They've done their job with getting parity in wages but its now time to concentrate on job security and safety in the workplace. If a company is struggling in a competetive market then its time to reconsider your stand on wages until things pick up again.

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made in usa

since this is a hunting site i'll base my opinion on that-when i go into the woods to try and take a deer or bear or turkey i want the best available product i can put my hands on,no matter where it was made.maybe that sounds un-american but i feel i owe to the animal to make a clean kill and not to a manufacturer to support an inferior product.

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sawbill wrote:
You don't think unions have had a lot to do with high priced products and inferior quality?

Well, yes and no. Unions just negotiate for as much as they can get. Then the companies negotiate from their side and eventually there is an agreement. When times are good companies have a tendency to be willing to give away the store. After all, they want to pay their top executives millions upon millions, and it's kind of hard to bargain aggressively with your union employees about how you have to prepare for bad times when you're shoveling the money at the top guys.

So, yes, the unions do have a lot to do with it. But it's important to remember that they are only half the equation. Management has just as much to do with it.

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