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I was watching ESPN outdoors the other day and they aired a show with Bo Jackson elk hunting. He found a nice elk got into position and made a shot. The elk kind of hunched it's back and walked around real slow like. He shot the elk again and then a third time before it hit the ground. Is that normal or just a coincidence?

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It's not extremely unusual. Elk are tough animals.

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Yeah kryptonite jacketed bullets work well. Wink

Elk or even deer (somtimes) will not go down immediately (even if it is giving all the signs of being a perfect shot). Oh they die eventually, but they might bolt a ways or hump up for a bit.

The situation you describe with Bo is the right thing to do. If you shoot and its still standing, you keep shooting until it falls over. Don't be shy, don't start gawking, don't wait, keep shooting. Assuming of course that you still have a good shot, it gets questionable if say they step off into the brush and your certain you didn't hit with the first shot.

Not directing that comment at you Bnow, just what I have seen and figured I'd say my piece. Sometimes people take a shot and they start glassing to see if the game is going to fall over, pondering what to do, don't even reload. It is a waste of critical moments when they could be taking follow up shots.

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I think elk are just plain stubborn. You may kill him with the first shot but sometimes it takes two or three shots to really convince him hes already dead.

If you don't believe me read this story.

"Subject: Elk rasslin tips 101

First off many of ya are aware I recently had a goround with a critter that
resulted in my endin up in a hospital.

Now for those of ya who Darren notified of my accident I want to say thanks for your prayers, Those what don't know what happened well I shot me a 1200+ pound elk bout a week ago, 25 yards thought it was a double lung hit but snow was commin down pretty good an as later discovered the arrow actually went right between the lungs clipped the heart an exited just ahead of the right shoulder. It took me an my partner about an hour to locate the critter piled up in the bottom of a narrow ravine, I gave David my bow while I went to pose for a picture with the critter, well that big ol'fella wasn't much into havin his picture took cause when I was bout 5 feet from him he come up off the ground an started arguin with me bout it, I tried to get him to look towards the camera by grabbin his antlers an twistin his head around a lil but he didn't care for that either an forced me to kick his front leg an wrestle him back down to the ground, now this has always worked with cow critters so I didn't see a problem, we was discussin the picture takin idea when my partner gets a lil over excited an whacks the elk with MY bow not once but several times (that indian just ain't never learned ya can usually talk anyone into posin for a picture long as ya don't whack em with a bow) Well the elk critter got mad over bein whacked an decided to hook me a couple times with his antler whilst pretty much layin atop me, this forced me to have to remind him of the age old adage "Never take an antler to a gun fight" o.k maybe ya white folks ain't never heard that one but its very popular amongst us indians. I yelled at David to stop whackin the elk (and subquently me) with my favorite bow an get clear, at the same time I reached around mysellf an got my .357 mag outa the holster aimed it as well as I could towards the critters head (try aimin a gun behind your back sometime while layin on that arm its great fun) fired 4 or 5 shots, well the elk died pretty fast with most of his head shot off, but one of the bullets richocheted an hit me in the pevis bounced round to my hip an somehow ended up in my butt (least thats the excuse the doctors gave me for them puttin 15 stiches there) well after tryin to talk the elk into posin for the picture I was pretty tired an decided it was a good time to take a nap, I had the strangest dream of an indian draggin me behind a horse over every rock an tree he could find while I was nappin I know it was a horse couse even on his worse day Dave ain't never farted as bad as no horse.

The doctors decided they wanted some pictures of me (I don't understand why seein the elk wasn't in none of the pictures they took) so they flew me around Oregon lookin for a camera to take pictures with (I coulda told em there was a Wal-mart just down the road if they woulda just asked) I did notice somethin suspicouse in one of the pictures of my head thoough, when the doctor turned the picture backwards I coulda sworn them wierd marks on my head were the letters PSE now this is a very intriuging clue seein as how my bow has them same letters on it, I will discuss this with David when I'm feelin a lil better.

All said an done I got a busted wrist from shootin from a bad angle a few cracked ribs several bite marks 6 or 7 antler holes 1 bullet hole the holes account for a grand total of 147 stitches an a major headache, my bow got 2 busted cables a cam was lost an the cams axle mount is all busted up, my favorite .357 just needs cleanin, my elk got mostly ate by critters but David did recover alot of the meat an my antlers I do need some tips though bout how to best glue the antklers back together one of the bullets blew off a whole branch an Dave busted off many of the tines while field testin my bow for durability now ya taxidermist types would know if super glue will work for puttin em back together again.

I'm doin alright (got me a bunch of pain pills) I blew the quitin smokin after I got here since I strongly believe the critter just didn't want to pose in a picture with a non smoker, this has brought me to another thought I think I'v figured out where it is them elk are when we can't see em......they is hiding havin them a ciggarett I'm sure of it so folks instead of the usual deer style blind set ya up a ciggarett stand an they'll come runnin I betcha. For those who actually read this whole thing I will now reward ya with some prime elk wrestlin tips:

1. Elk are not impressed with how much martial arts training ya'v had so save your breath.
2. Do not kick an elk in the nose this will anger him.
3. Do not attempt to throw the elk prior to tying, the antlers hurt when they land on ya.
4. Do not let a life long recurve hunter use your compound they may become dissorientated and confused by the two extra bow strings an revert to cave man tactics of beating the elk with your bow as opposed to shooting it.
5. Elks cheat! They are not above biteing.
6. Carry more than one gun (2 ankle holsters, 2 hip guns and 2 shoulder rigs should be sufficient if ya don't mind feeing under armed) Use Magsafe ammo it won't richochet like hollow points will if they hit an antler.
7. This is very important, never never shoot yourself in the butt! .

If the above fails a nap is good.

Dewayne"

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1200+ pounds that would have to be the biggest elk ever

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I saw a 1200 pound bull once. Right next to a 550 pound buck. Wink

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I say shoot them till they are down. No amount of shots will ruin anything on them. A well placed shot will keep them going. I think it is depending on the animal. My wife shot a 3x3 mule deer buck this year and I thought it was alittle far back because he hunkered up and kept going up the hill. Well he crashed and burned about 75 yds up the hill. Well after gutting him I found she hit that buck in a perfect shot and I mean perfect. It was uphill when she shot about 200 yds and she hit the top of the heart and the far side of the lung.
I hit my first bull 4 times before he bled out internally. the first shot did him in as I Did shoot high and hit the main artery in his back and he bled out.
Also hit a rag horn that I hit 4 times and was standing over him and I thought he took his last breath and I went to grab his horns to pull him out of a tree and his eye didnt look right so I poked him in the eye with my 7 mag and he started blinking and a well placed shot in the temple at point blank range finished him off.
I am sure alot of people drop them in there tracks but not every time does it happen.
So like my advice is " Shoot them till there down."
Yes Bo did get a nice bull. It was awesome.

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Elk are tuff critters. They hold onto life like its goin' outta style. Took the top of my bull's hart off this year, he still went 30 yards straight up and bellowed for 4 minutes after falling down. Trackin' elk ain't fun either, an' can be down right frustrating when they head into goat country. Best to shoot until they are down and stay down.

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Well the story about elk wrastlin is full of embellishments, I'm sure "DeWayne" probably inflated the weight a little. But after winding up in the hospital after a kick boxing match with an elk it would probably seem more like the thing weighed 3000 lbs.

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From the discription of the first shot and the bulls actions, it sounds as if he might have gut shot the elk.

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With gut shots, I've never seen one hump up (as oppossed to hitting them in the lungs), seems to hold true for deer, elk, and antelope at least.

Gut shots usually have an off sound when they hit and makes them jump or not even break stride, but they don't act the same as a solid chest hit (humping up and/or putting the head down).

Its hard to describe what a good chest shot sounds like, but it has a distinctive sound and most always a distinctive reaction.

If you played and/or watched a lot of baseball, you know the sound of a batter getting the "good wood" on a ball and know it is a well hit ball even if you just hear only the crack of the bat. Doesn't mean they'll get on base, just that it was a solid hit.

In my experience this seems to be true with good "hits" and bad on game. I tend to hunt in places where shot sounds reverberate and echo, making it easy to listen and hear the distinction. I suspect that in forested areas, the muffling causes the sounds to be distorted. In those environments, I'm guessing shot sound can't help you much.

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