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hello every one i'm baiting bears in northern alberta, well i'm using deep fryer grease dougnuts dog food and grain. well my bait barrel hasn't been touched but my bait crib has. there only ten feet apart. here's the weird part the bait logs aren't moved but the bait is always gone. i only bait every four days. the bark on the loggs is all most all chewed off as well. you can also see claw marks on the logs as well so what do you people think? any help would be nice oh and i can't afford a trail cam. Brick Wall,) Brick Wall,) Brick Wall,) Brick Wall,)

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If the logs arent moved I'll bet it's not a bear.

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Mr or Mrs Racoon would be my best guess They'll do exactly as you described and more if they want to.
I once seen a travel trailer that was the victim of racoon attack. Came in through a screened window,tore cuboard doors off,torn trays from the fridge, opened canned food, you wouldn't beleive the mess.
My buddy ,who trapped bears for 40 years will be here for morning coffee. I'll let him read your post, if he doesn't know what to do, no one will.

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It sounds like a Fisher Cat . Think

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OK this is what he said:
Realy it could be anything, but probably a racoon;
If you put your bate barrel in the open(away from a tree and cover it with a wooden pallet to keep the crows out,, you should be able to tell what is comming.. The only thing that can turn over a bait barrel is a bear. Racoons,cats and coyotes can not do this. If the barrel is upset and contents gone, look for nail scraping on the bottom of the barrel.
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ok yeah that's what i thought. but the bait barrel hasn't been touched. or even the pile of fish guts. thought maybe the bait barrel might stink to much like soap. because stupid me forgot to wash it out. it's plastic. oh and what's a fisher cat? thank's for your help. also how long should i wait before i move my bait because if it's not a bear no point waiting and waiting. has anybody else seen bear's north of cold lake alberta.

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I have a pic of a fisher cat at a baitsight somewhere around here. when i find it I'll post it for ya. pound for pound, they are the meanest thing in the woods.
Agood one might weight 20 pounds and look like an overgrown weasel. they will chase a squrill in a tree and catch it for lunch. they eat porcipines. and will kill a good hound dog. Their favorite meal is a house cat. If your logs weren't moved, my first guess would be a fisher.

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Have You done Your bait test yet ?
Sometimes it takes 1 week to get hits and sometimes more, it deppends on ur area.. is this a new baiting site ? if that's the case it might take little longer to see bears around it and sometimes u won't see anything at all the first year u bait new area , but I recommend You keep adding fresh bait to it even without any luck so next year u will have hits.

Having said all that , here's what You can do to help getting hits :

once You finish preparing ur site and adding fresh baits to it, get on ur tree stand and use the predator call for at least 1-2 hour NONE STOP, this will drag bears closer to u to investigate looking for a meal, sounds travel alot more then smell so once the bears hear the call they will come to investigate and once they get close enough to the sound u r making they r gonna smell ur stinky fish guts and voila !!

remember soemthing while doing this !! when U r using ur predator call be extremly cautious because the bears u r draging in to ur site are coming looking for a wounded animal in this case the bears are more aggressive when there is a wounded animal....... , so this means the bears will react aggressively to any movement or sound and will come towards it fast and furious, so try not to make any movement or noise if u r on the ground calling or u will endup the Dinner. Bears usualy come calm ,maybe little cautious to a bait site but coming for a wounded animal it's a different ball game !! So be VERY CAREFULL !

don't give up calling after few minutes,, keep calling for a very long time , bears usualy come investigate after an hour, don't stop calling cause once u stop calling they will give up on the chase and turn back, don't keep calling if u spot a bear closing in cause he can locate u, that might run him off or attack You !
there is few more tips but i cannot think of it right now, once i remember i will add to it, i am sure guys here have few more tips

good luck

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Thanks HM
thanks for the pic. I always get something out of your posts.
Your very interesting and knowledgable. Thanks.

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Tommy wrote:
Thanks HM
thanks for the pic. I always get something out of your posts.
Your very interesting and knowledgable. Thanks.

Thank You Tommy ! it's always a pleasure to help.

" up north ".............. I think the problem of not getting any hits yet is due to the lack of smell ( stink ) coming out of ur bait, You should never put a fresh bait to drag animals close , what You should do is make 2 baits in one site,, one bait should be fresh for bears to eat, and one bait is to be as stinky as possible to drag them close to You.. Remember the stinky the bait is the bigger the chances of getting hits faster,, some ppl setup their baits and wait and wait and wait and wonder why no hits yet ?!! No hits because not stinky enough !
Here's an example :
If I put a small piece of fresh meat on the road and u walk next to it You think You will be able to smell it ?!! hwo strong the smell is ? 1 the weakest 10 the strongest ? i will say 1 or 2 ..
now let's do the same test but with a rotten meat and You walk next to it what do You think it will happen ?!
same things with bears,, bears walk around trying to find food for them, if walking 100 yards from a fresh meat they may not be able to smell it and continue looking for food , but if there is a stinky disgusting meat and walk 500 yards from it they will smell it and come to investigate !! the stinky bait is to lure them in , the fresh bait to to feed them and keep them happy and close by until u r ready to hunt .!

when I prepare my baiting site I make sure as i mentioned above is to have 2 different kind of baits, one fresh and one to stink the @#$&*# out of that area.
Here's what u do to speed up ur stinky bait instead of waiting for nature to do it for u :

Get fish, meat, fish guts,, etc.... put them in ur barrel then add hot water to it,, maybe half way up then close the barrell lid and let it sit in the sun for at least 1 week,, take the barrell to ur baiting site and tie it to a tree and open the lid ( make sure u don't breath while opening the lid cause u will faint ) .
after finishing with ur stinky bait, get all the disgusting juice or water from the barrell and get a spray bottle and go for a walk around ur bait site and spray as far as 500 meters in all four directions of ur bait. I always make sure I have lots of this disgusting juice everytime i go out there. spray about 4-5 feet high off the ground.
do this stinky bait everytime u go to ur site to add fresh bait for 2 weeks and You will see result .. if u wanna wait for nature to do this for u it might take a very long time , by then it will be little too late for u to hunt ur dream bear , I think that is the problem u r dealing with right now , change that quickly before it's too late for You.
In case You wonder what kind of smell u will get out of this " stinky bait ", well it is almost like a rotten beaver that been dead for a month only this bait is 10 times stronger and stinkier !!
The only problem You are gonna have to deal with this stnky bait is You have to sit close to it and smell it the whole time u r hunting !!! Laugh
try It,, it is worth the try !!
post a picture of ur bear after u do this Thumbs up

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I had a wolverine do the same thing last year. It knocked over my bait barrell and yanked out the sticks, I though I was getting some good hits until I went to bait on a windy day and was about 15 yards from the hit barrell and got one hell of an adrenaline rush when it came from behind the barrell rushing at me. It stopped when I racked the shotgun. Nasty , nasty, nasty animal friggin mean. I put heavy logs on the barrell and grease rags in the trees and got bears to hit.

Anyway goodluck and hope you bag a big one.

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