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Here is something that will make all hunters sick..
This is posted here because it is mule deer related.
Start it off with this. You spend money to win a raffle for a super tag and spend money to travel out to Idaho to hunt after winning a mule deer tag. Only to take a huge buck of a lifetime and have a envious little pr@#$ call you in for poaching and get a Federal Officer show up at your house to confiscate the horns and have 8 F&G cops show up at your Taxidermist to take the hide that you where planning on having a full body mount done. ALL on anonymous phone call.
That 218 big buck I posted last month this happened to that buck and hunter. What does this say about Idaho Fish & Game? Just a phone call. Some little piece of sh@# that sits in a little hole and was mad his little peon of a buck was no match for this true monster of a buck. Got to pout because there are true hunters out there that scout and will put there good friend on monster bucks instead of whining because they cant get off there 4 wheelers or out of there trucks to find the big ones of there dreams.
The other thing that gets me is this. They went into my friends place of business which is his livelyhood and makes a new customer sit in there truck till they have gone. The F&G officers did this. Made my friend lose business or potential business from rumors that will fly. The total disrespect from F&G and total unprofessional courtesy they did not show towards him. All over a phone call. I hear rumors fly on almost every big buck but there is no evidence just a phone call. It makes me worried to keep trying for big ones. Because if F&G can attack this then what happens if they go to someone that doesnt have the means to fight back. Meaning money. I feel the CAP program is good but to wait or not to act on a call or to have no other evidence than just saying whatever. There has to be a medium here and not someone that is envious or jealous of a buck. When will it stop when someone who hunt hard or just happens to be in the right place at the right time gets called in. F&G wants to make money off these tags and wants to make more but to go after a hunter that has spent alot of money for the SUPER TAG and spends money to come here and the money he spent while here. I would be a little nervous of coming to Idaho to hunt trophy animals.
But this irks every sense in me. I for one would bust someones jaws if they came out and told me they called any of these guys in. I would vouch for my friends Dad 100%. He has more knowledge than most people I know of mule deer in the units he goes into. But to make up stories is BS.
Sorry to go on but the F&G has showed me again very unprofessional and disrespectful towards what there job should be.

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Supersider34 I've always enjoyed reading your posts but something definitely doesn't sound right. If the F&G did all this action without any investigation what-so-ever AND your friend is clean then I'd say he'll get his deer back and probably get a nice settlement on the side. However you'll have to let us know what happens because of the actions of F&G it sounds like whether intentional or not your friend was probably on the wrong side of the law. Is it possible he just didn't know his boundaries and shot the deer in the wrong area? Because usually a phone call only initiates an investigation, I've never heard of a guy being "raided" like this with nothing more than a phone call. Think about it logically. How did they even know who shot the buck? There had to have been some investigation. Maybe somebody got a plate number and the F&G determined there was no legal hunt going on in that area at that time because your friend got a little mixed up on his boundaries.

Because to me if a guy calls my office with a plate number and I know there IS a legal hunt going on in that area I go out and check the guy for a valid tag. I don't just haul off and arrest the guy and confiscate his animal. There is something that sparked the harsh actions by F&G and it was more than a phone call.

It's hard to make a judgement call with the info you've provided but something isn't adding up in this story.

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Ok, I'm confused. Is this two seperate raid incidence? One related to the 218 buck you posted then a seperate incidence related to your friend?

I say this because I got the impression from the 218 post that you didn't know the guy but were able to still see the buck... That is a monster of a buck by the way.

Now on the 218, the f&g action is strange. If Gary was being very public about the hunt and his success (showing people, posting pictures on the net, magazines calling), this doesn't sound like a case where the guy has something to hide. If the guy is being so public about it, why the raid?

I'd like to be with RatherBe on this one 100%, but with cases like Gustafson up there in ID, I get a touch cynical.

Either way, I'd like to hear more too. Seems like given the stature of the buck and the raid, there should be some press articles on it. I haven't been able to find anything in the search engines.

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I'd like to be with RatherBe on this one 100%, but with cases like Gustafson up there in ID, I get a touch cynical.

That is true but Gustafson was one LEO trying to hide his actions. This sounds like it was a multi officer deal with the department in the public eye.

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Gary is a Non resident who won a super tag. He lives in Wisc. Shane owns the Taxidermist shop where the hide was. Shane is my friend. I met Gary there.
They where told like I said that rumor was that it was shot in a ML hunt with a rifle. Allegedly they said. They also said they found the exact kill spot with a gut pile and found it from pics that where taken. No pics of the buck was released till after a couple weeks because they where trying to get it in a specific magazine but the guy who runs it was out hunting elsewhere. I have killed 4 bucks and the gut pile where gone within a week.
We are just waiting to see when he will get it back.

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So are you saying that the f&g has already stated that Gary will not be charged and his property returned? If so, that sounds like a pretty serious flub on the f&g's part.

I'm not up on ID game law, but some states can really tie the hands of the investigating officers. In other words, if they receive a tip, no matter how vague they are required to investigate it. I'm not making excuses, just a possibility.

The other thing that catches my eye on this is whether or not a court order was necessary to conduct the search and seizure at your friend's place. If a court order was necessary and one was not obtained and presented this is a very serious matter, especially if your friend did not give permission to search his place of business.

If the tip was truly anonymous and that was the only evidence available to the investigators, I hope that a reasonable judge would not issue a bench order to allow the search of a place of business during business hours without notice. An attorney would be able to help with this much better, just throwing out a point.

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Its a screwing thing. I was mad at first even though it did not happen to me. I posted this to let people know what could happen to them. They got an attorney and I hope it is cleared up quick as there are some major rumors flying around and I have been getting phone calls about my friends and I know it is making people wonder. I have taken some very nice bucks in the last 4 yrs of archery hunting and it is making me nervous as to keep trying for the big bucks. I do not want this to happen to me as I would get pretty irate over a accusation like this. I hunt strictly for horns on mule deer and I love the challenge of trying to outsmart them mature bucks. Like I said they got a attorney and hope it gets squashed fast. I hate rumors more than anything. I posted this on another site in Az. I heard some of the stories that happen there. It is crazy.
I have nothing about F&G doing there job but just like to see it done with a little more respectfullness towards someones business than to go in there full force. They went in to confiscate a hide from a Taxidermist shop. Hello I am sure he was not going to go postal on them for getting it.

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Anything new? I would like to know if Gary gets his "evidence" back and no charges are filed.... thanks.

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No news except they have been out to my friends Taxidermist shop again with a bunch of Officers again. His Dad is the one that helped Gary find the buck. So they will be searching a few more times I believe. Plus they got an attorney so might have upset them a little.

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