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Speer Bullets

One of the things that I've always favored about the firearms and small arms ammunition industry is that for the most part once a product is successful and has developed a following on the market, the industry tend to keep that product on the market for decades. Or so I thought. Confused

I handload Speer Hot-Cor and Grand Slam bullets in my biggame cartridges.  Since I tend to buy my reloading components in batches, last time I really stocked up on my cache of these two Speer products about 6 years ago.  I had noticed within the last year or so there was a very short supply of first the Grand Slams. I don't even see them on shelves anymore.  Noticed that Hot-Cor bullets are becoming very scarce too.  Began to wonder.

Just happen to be cleaning out some basement cabinets last night and found a stack of magazines, picked up a year and a half old American Rifleman magazine and began thumbing through it.  Found an article that caught my attention.  Gees I have no idea how I missed this article when I first got the magazine.  It talked about how CCI/Speer was phasing out it's Grand Slam and Hot-Cor bullets and replacing them with a newer design under a new trade name - Deep Curl.  WTF?  All my data is for these two traditional bullets.  While both the Hot Core and Grand Slam are still listed on Speers website I have noticed they are very scarce at the retail level and have been for a couple years.  I just thought it was due to the Obama scare.  Did a quick search online and found a few articles and chatlines that talked about eh same thing.  I quitely grabbed the keys to my truck and drove on down to Sportsmans Warehouse where I knew I had seen two boxes of Hot-Cor .277" 130gr HCSP a couple days prior.  Lucky for me they were still there.  Noticed however that across the shelf where Speers bullets are kept the picking were very slim for the Speer line.  I may just be switching bullets here in the future.  The point I'm trying to make here is that if any of you guys load Speer bullets as your primary bullet, snag them up now when you see them.  Yes

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Did exactly that this year.

They are usually my choice of cup and cores, so I picked up a bunch this year for guns I load for.

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Yeah it seems the Hot-Cor and

Yeah it seems the Hot-Cor and Grand Slam have been fading in popularity for years now.  So is the Nosler partition.

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availability

bitmasher wrote:

Yeah it seems the Hot-Cor and Grand Slam have been fading in popularity for years now.  So is the Nosler partition.

 

Yeah, but al least Nosler hasn't turned their back on the customers who still use the Partition bullet.  I may just be switching to the Nosler Partition here in the future.  I'll likely just use the same brass, powder, and primer, but replace the Speer with a Nosler Partition and then work my way back upto a charge weight and seating depth that produces the groups I want @ the velocity I want while watching for signs of overpressure.  But for now I have 3 1/2 boxes of HotCor bullers (that's 350 bullets) plus another 30 completed reloads left to fire.  I think if I'm judicious that should yield me at least another 3 years worth if sighting-in, off-hand practice, and hunting with that bullet.

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I chose Hornady over Speer

I chose Hornady over Speer many years ago, about 40. Hornadys shot better in eeverything except my 7mm mag. But to real straw that broke the camels back for me was when Omark bought them out. I wanted to get some information and had always wrote Speer and got nice replys to my letter's. This time I got back a letter advising me that any information I wanted I'd have to get from one of their dealers. Well not to give up to soon, I wrote another letter hoping speer still had their wildcatt manual in stock, that was a super manual. Well pretty much the same kind of answer and no, they would not make it avaliable again. I think that the best cup and core bullet ever made was the Speer hot core. Really might call it the first bonded bullet. Then the mag tip came out and though I had no need of a bullet like that, they had a photo of a bullet after it left the barrel and there was no tip. They claimed that that is why they made the mag tip design. I still think to this day that that tip is the best, looks a lot like a core-lock.

It was anazing when I saw them go to non-hot core bullet's. I couldn't believe it. That was probably the point at which I thought there was something wrong at Speer. They made nothing new and I seldom saw advertizing for their bullet's. At this point there's no way I'd buy a speer bullet again. If I couldn't get Hornady's, I'd go to core-locks.

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hotcor and core-lok

I used Core-Lok quite a few times very early on when I first started hunting.  They were from dad's reloads and performed quite well on the 2 bucks and couple bull elk that I had killed back then.  I actually thought they were a great bullet and cheap too. By the time I began reloading my own rounds I was a freshman in highschool and Core-Loks were not as readily available then. To me they still aren't and paying inflated shipping charges defeats the whole purpose of acquiring a great bullet for a good price. 

Dad had a few different reloading manuals and the Speer manual happened to catch my interest.  More than likely it was because a couple gunshops nearby sold Speer bullets, so they were the most readily available to me. Early on I played with various loads and different bullet brands, maybe too many.  When I began to get more serious in my reloads towards the end of collage, for some reason I came back to Speer bullets.  By then I had come to favore the .270 Win and the Speer data was the only one that gave safe loads that gave close to the original velocity for the .270, but out of a 22" sporter barrel.  Simply played around with different brass, 2 different powders, and various seating depths custom to my rifles chamber, to get the best accuracy I could. 

From my experience I've found the Grand Slam, Hotcor, and Boat Tails from Speer to perform exactly as I want on the various game that I use each one on. Will likely go with Nosler and Sierra in the future for bullets. 

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One thing to keep in mind

One thing to keep in mind about the older manuals, everyone's, is that they had no pressure guns back then. So to find the max loads, they did the same thing we did. There were some pretty hot loads listed back then!

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