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Oh yeh we never lost Vietnam , liberal political morons restraining our troops did. This administration is a disgrace.

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I think the comparison of Chamberlain with Obama is spot on. And we all know how history panned out with Chamberlain's compromise with the evil dictator at the time. sad sad sad sad

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it!!!!!

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I believe that our security and our liberty depends on a strong, well-funded, fully-supported military. Perhaps, if we lived in a world with just France, Canada, England and a few other similar countries we wouldn't need as strong a military, but we don't.

We live in a world with Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, the middle east and so on. These people live and die by the sword. They reward strength and punish weakness (including civility).

I just don't see why we have to pay for our troops to be in Germany. Perhaps there is a strategic reason for locating them there, but that advantage also benefits Germany. So, we should not have to pay to be located there.

We spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on humanitarian aid conducted by our military each year for other countries. My BIL went to Peru to help them and the government ripped us off. We paid in advance for fuel and then they charged us again. Why is our military helping the Puervian government especially when they steal from us?

This is the crap that needs to stop. We are not the world's big brother. Secure our borders, protect our nation and if anyone wants our help they better be a true ally. Ant that means having our back and supporting us when things get tough.

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Our presence in Germany was for much the same reason as Asia. The agreement after WWII was that we would shoulder the burden of Europe's defense so that Germany wouldn't have to rebuild its military to meet the Soviet threat and thereby appear threatening. Same thing with Japan. Any hint of Japanese rearmament still sends huge ripples through Asia.

As for Peru, it's all about trying to keep it from descending into a narco-state or succumbing to Shining Path Maoism.

Most people just don't understand the tragedy that just occurred in Europe when we threw the Poles and Czechs under the bus to cut a deal with Russia for more cooperation with Iran. I had a Czech friend once that loved the US and woefully talked about how Patton was a few miles outside of Prague in WWII when he was told to withdraw so the Soviets could liberate it -- and Czechoslovakia spent decades behind the Iron Curtain as a result. The Eastern Europeans see Obama's actions as betrayal -- all those years of support pulling them out of communism and Russian influence, all the support they've given us over the past few years when Western Europe refused, and now Obama's given them back to the Russians.

When we went into Afghanistan, the Afghans were suspicious of us. Leaders like Karzai had one thing on their minds -- how we helped them get out from under the Soviets, and then walked away from them and left them to the Taliban. That's all they wanted -- an assurance that we wouldn't pull the rug out from under them again. Well guess what? Obama's headed in that direction. Afghanistan's strategic significance is enormous as it borders Iran, Pakistan, and China.

Next up: Taiwan. China has us over a financial barrel and they know it. They could collapse our economy at a whim and have power to shift us up or down just by how much of our debt they buy. How long do you think it's going to be before Obama cuts a deal to stay away from Taiwan in exchange for Chinese "cooperation?"

The blood's in the water and the sharks are circling. If this trend continues, history will throw Obama on the same scrap heap as Chamberlain.

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I can understand why we got here, but my question is if we were the victors why we cut such a lousy deal for ourselves?

Why do we spend 10 times the amount for maintaining these bases in Germany than Germany?

From information I've gathered Germany contributes 1 billion a year, while the cost is about 11 billion for the 40+ military bases we have in Germany.

This doesn't account for the American dollars flowing into the German economy.

Maybe we contact Poland and ask how much they would contribute if we relocated to Poland. I think a base in Poland would have as much value as if located in Germany.

Just like Kuwait. We bailed their butts out, but did they every compensate us? No. And before I sent US troops there, I would have secured a US interest in oil.

I am just tired of being the good guy and getting spit on by those that we help.

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We'll like I said earlier, I liked the comparison of Chamberlain with Obama, but truth be told Chamberlain's actions had some unintended outcomes. He bought the Brits time to gear up. Truth is that the Brits weren't equiped well enough at that time to go butt heads with the third reich yet. Maybe that will work in our favor as well, but under this administration that's a big "maybe"

Also as far as Obama discounting advise from experienced army general while favoring Bidens plans for Afghanastan. Exact same thing can be said about Donald Rumsfield and all his arogance during the invasion of Iraq. He did the exact same thing even berrated one General.

Otherwise I agree with what has been said here. Good points made.

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Expat wrote,

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Neville Chamberlain would be proud.

Couldn't have said it better!

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The diffrence is that Rumsfeld didnt tell the military how to run the evasion or the strategys to use and this admistation is getting its military advice from Biden... scary.

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something good about obama?

that is a hard one but how about

he will be a one term president Thumbs up

mmmm, mmmm, mmmm!

as far as afganistan, it is not really a country, but a collection of tribes, just like iraq and somalia. we cannot make a real country out of these places becauses the people there do not think in those terms and cannot be made to think in those terms. maybe we need to consider the mongol solution to prevent future terrorism problems from there? Brick Wall,)

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tonyoneword1 wrote:
The diffrence is that Rumsfeld didnt tell the military how to run the evasion or the strategys to use and this admistation is getting its military advice from Biden... scary.

True no one was getting advise from Biden then, thank God!! But as I recall Rumsfield did clash hard with General Eric Shinseki and publically berated the Army General when asked how many troops it would take to secure Iraq post-war. Do you remember? I sure do. The General said "something in the order of several hundred thousand soldiers" would probably be required for postwar Iraq. To which Rumsfield replies basically saying that was a rediculous number and unrealistic and told the General in so many words that he didn't know what he was talking about, something to that affect. I could be wrong, but I'm willing to bet the farm that an Army General of Shinseki's caliber know what's needed far more than Rumsfield would. I wonder just how far the Bush administration really had their heads up their a$$. But you are correct, good thing Biden wasn't making those kinds of decisions back then. Too bad he's making them now.

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