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Location: Mullica Hill,NJ
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Guys - Here in CT it is still in the 40s in the mornings and the hunting hours are only from sunrise to noon. I have been scouting a WMA and have picked up a lot of fresh scat and prints. But I haven't been lucky yet. I have tried a couple of days, and tried calling but no response. I have come back to that area later that evening, only to find some fresh poop and fresh tracks. What is happening? I am in full camo and using a well-hidden camo blind. Its not like they can see me. Can a Turkey approach you without making a Gobble? Can there be Turkey's in the area and even though they hear you call, they don't respond? It is kinda wiered, because of the TV shows I have watched, the turkey's usually respond very quickly to a call. Here, nothing. But yet, I am finding tracks and scat.
Any help or suggestions would be really appreciated.
Thanks Guy!

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Location: sw missouri
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yes, yes, yes, and yes.

the best scouting you can do is to get their before sunrise and hit an owl hooter call. if no response, wait about 15-20 min and hit it again. continue to do this until about 15 minutes after sunrise. usually a gobler will hit it hard once he hears this. another thing, dont scout from the blind; scouting can sometimes involve putting a few miles on the old legs. and lastly, be patient. i didn't get my birds until the 3rd week of the season here in mo.

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Location: Pennsylvania
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You don't nessesarily need a blind. You can just sit up against the bottom of a tree and if you don't move the turkeys will walk right up to you but don't move a muscle! In the turkey hunting videos it seems that these turkey are running in within 2 minutes of the guy calling. Sometimes that does happen but its very rare! They are showing you little clips of calling, response, more calling, another response then the bird shows up, then you see it strut maybe they caught a spit and drum on film and have an audio clip of that but these sequenses dont happen in the 5 minutes that they make it look like. A lot of times you are seeing the best 5 minutes of an hour long hunt but who would sit and watch a guy leaning up against a tree in the silent woods for an hour? No one would so they only show you the action shots. Be patient. If you commit to a spot in the woods because you found sign and you have a good feeling about it them give it at least 45 minutes I try to hang in there for at least an hour if I like the spot. ALOT of times the birds will come in silent.

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Location: Mullica Hill,NJ
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Thanks guys for your response. Actually what I meant was that I have been hunting that area from the blind. I have scouted it a lot. I know every patch of that WMA. Me and my wife have done scouting on foot. I bought the blind just for hunting. But let me tell you a little bit about the area. It has a couploe of open fields and in the middle has a huge pond. The fields are on either side of the Pond. There is one trail that connects the two areas on either side of the pond. All the fields are very promising, open green and near water. But never have I ever seen or heard a turkey in there at any time of the day. I have sat there for hours on end but nothing. Only to come back later that day to find scat and prints. On the opening day I sat there and waited the entire time. Nothing. I was calling continuously. Nothing. I left after the legal hours ended and then came back to scout a couple of hours later, only to find scat and prints.
I am disappointed in the fields. But let me ask you this. The other land is just typical eastern land. High ground, with ALOT of hills and depressions which are at this time of the year very green. Should I try in these hills or try to stick with open areas. The turkey hunting I have watched is usually in open fields and flat land. Is that not true for Eastern Birds? Can I and should I try the hilly areas and depressions as well?
Thanks!

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Location: Pennsylvania
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Typically it is easier to call a turkey uphill or at least if you are calling on the same level as he is would be much easier than trying to call them downhill. I don't know why that is but I have heard lots of guys say it and I have noticed it myself. The highest corner of a field is a good bet and also if there are any openings in the woods that are up high (I like the first bench (plateau or flat area) down from the ridge) would be good too.
If you have been calling in this same wma all season maybe you should try another area......maybe the birds know that your calling is not a hen because they are getting used to it. Try another spot, try different calls, try to call less, try to call more, try using a stick to move the leaves around, make scratching sounds, wing beats, ect.....I would lean more toward calling less this time of the season though. Even a single cluck could be what you need to bring him strutting on in. Once the hens go on their nests is a great time to be in the woods. Remember that it only takes one gobbler to come in to the gun to change this season from a slow one to a great one!
The great thing about turkey hunting is that you can call them to you. Try to be in the spot they already want to go (or at least a spot where they like to hang out, tracks, scat,feathers and call from there) even if you just walk into the woods and call like a hot hen and see if you can get a bird worked up. Wait a little bit and then move to another area. Good luck and I hope you are having fun even if you havent gotten a shot yet.

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Location: sw missouri
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it sounds to me like they are roosting on the ridges and aren't making it down to the fields till after legal hunting hours. if i were you, i would move your setup closer to where they are roosting, and cut them off before they get to the fields.

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Look here, what you see on tv is a highlight at best. On top of that you might be seeing 3 minutes of highlight footage the rest is surrounding selling you a product. They have no choice its the way the industry has become. Showcase your sponsors or run out of cash to air your show.

I filmed at least 45 days this spring. After initial cutting I have two hours of film to work with. If I was going to put these hunts onto tv theres no less than 12 entire shows worth of hunting action in that two hours of film. What you say 12 30 minute shows out of 120 minutes of footage? Sure enough and truth be told to do those shows it would require me dumping more of the great hunting footage i have and filling it in with suggestive marketing to appease my advertisers and that 30-40 thousand dollars a month I would have to pay to run my show a couple times a week.

Make no mistake about it what you see on tv is not even closely representative of what you usually get in the field. I have some suggested reading for you. Might iron out and supply you with some tactics that will really help you understand what youre doing out there and how to bag youre turkey.

http://www.americasoutdoorsman.com/aoforums/viewtopic.php?t=437

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