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I have a few questions:

1. Does smoking cigarettes in a Tree stand bother deer? I have heard from some that it does and from some that it does not.

2. I have heard that the smell of human urine does not bother deer. I actually read a article in Field and Stream that talks about it. Any thoughts?

3. How many times does a doe get mounted during the rut and do they get mounted by several buck or just the same one?

Thanks folks.

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drh277 wrote:
I have a few questions:

1. Does smoking cigarettes in a Tree stand bother deer? I have heard from some that it does and from some that it does not.

2. I have heard that the smell of human urine does not bother deer. I actually read a article in Field and Stream that talks about it. Any thoughts?

3. How many times does a doe get mounted during the rut and do they get mounted by several buck or just the same one?

Thanks folks.

I'd say that the smell of a cigarette burning would cause alarm to a deer in the woods. Of course, if a deer comes in upwind, there is little or no harm.

I've read both opinions on this subject, yay and nay. I believe a lot of animals are bothered by a human's urine smell. Heck, it bothers me! I always dig a small hole with my boot before "going" in the woods and then cover it back up to prevent the smell from being a problem. Also been known to carry a bottle while on stand, which is a LOT less obtrusive than climbing down.

Charles Alsheimer did a study on does and bucks breeding and found an interesting thing. More than one buck may well breed with a single doe while she is in estrus. He has video of two bucks vying for one doe and the doe in question was bred by both bucks. The most rememrkable thing was that the doe then had twin buck fawns which Mr. Alsheimer claimed were by both fathers.

This study was done in a large enclosure in N.Y. state where Mr. Alsheimer does a lot of whitetail research. He is a noted expert on whitetail behavior and a wildlife writer and photographer. It was a very interesting and eye-opening show, that's for sure.

http://charliealsheimer.com/ca/default.htm

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Welcome to BGH!

What deer are afraid of and not is open to lots of speculation. In my opinion they are not actually afraid of much other than those things they recognize as a threat. I doubt they have any idea what a cigerette is and would be wary of it but not flee at the smell of it. Same goes for human scent. They spend most of their lives not being bothered by humans and while they don't choose to associate socially with you, they don't flee either till humans do something to cause it.

I have never used camo or scent blocker's and yet I have managed to get awfully close to deer. One place you'll have a lot of trouble getting close to them is if your acting like a preditor. I doubt they make a distinction between any preditor, I doubt they really know the difference, only that something is sneaking up on them or something they see that they don't associate with is to close. Ever watch when your out and about the reaction of animals to your present's? If your sneaking along and they catch you, they are gone. You were acting like a preditor! Your stumbling along like an old cow and they stay sitll till your to close and don't look like an old cow, they bolt. They see you off several hundred yds and your not coming directly at them, they watch you but hang around till you start acting like your wanting to get to close, then they just walk away. Now this one really get's me, how many time's have you fired at a deer and hit it and the rest of them stand around a bit? The click of a safty will alert them but then it's a strange noise that showed up all of a sudden, not unlike a preditor snapping a twig.

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sorry for the length....

1) I believe it depends where your hunting, if its urban and deer smell things like car exhaust,cigarettes,and people in their lives then, then smoking from a treestand is fine, i used to smoke in my treestand and had a buck walk out in front of me while smoking one evening...

2) on that note i do belive human urine spooks deer... when i was 13 i took a leak by my tree, 3 hours later a nice buck came galloping right at me, got within smell of it and literally did an instant 180. so i believe deer do know our urine and if you find one that doesnt...shoot em

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Well I smoke and last year on a Maine bear hunt was in a treestand puffing away and a bear came in, Just the other day in NH was hunting deer and again was smoking, saw two bucks going at it 50 yards from me and did'nt seem to bother them, And yes I missed!!!!

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I have smoked cigs several times while hunting,killed my biggest buck smoking a cigarette but you need to know what direction the deer are coming from and pay attention to the wind,I smoke in all wind directions I bet I have scared alot of deer away they aint dumb if they catch wind of you or that cigarette all your gonna see is that white tail fading away in the distance it sucks being addicted to cigarettes but what can you do.

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I'm a smoker but I leave them in the truck when I head into the bush in the morning. I smoke my last one while letting my eyes adjust in the dark, butt it, spray myslef with scent killer and get into my outer layer clothing (which has been in a plastic tub in in the bed of the truck) and head to my stand. I switch stands 2-3 times a day so in between I stop by the truck for my fix...same thing, off outer layer, have a smoke (or 2) spray down, on clothes and back to the hunt.

As a "general" rule I don't think either bothers "deer" terribly much but I'd try and avoid them.

I have seen deer walk right through a spot where I took a leak less than 2 hours previous (50yds downwind of my ground blind). I know they smelled it as one of her fawns stopped and sniffed the spot and pawed at it. The doe was nervous and quickly scooted across the old road into the bush on the other side (but she was also downwind of me so that might explain it)...but she did come out in the open and continued on her way rather than heading back and circling around somewhere else.

I also know my wife's uncle puffs away like a chimney and he's taken his share of deer with a smoke hanging from his mouth too.

But that top 10% of the deer pecking order that we'd all love to have hanging on our walls might be another story.

They have survived enough hunting seasons to know a thing or two about us, probably more than we know about them - when a usually quiet country road suddenly has several trucks driving down it in the dark of opening morning....alfalfa bales and piles of apples or barley (where legal) suddenly appear deep in the bush a half mile from the nearest natural source...doors slamming...the first couple shots being fired. Add all of those abnormal circumstances together and they know what's up, or at least that something is not as should be - so those big old boys get nervous. I wouldn't say "spooked" although some probably are...but they've seen this show enough times before to know what comes next. Afterall they didn't get that old by being brave.

Add in the increased occassional whiff of cigarette smoke, the increased scent of humans in the bush in general and certain areas in particular ;either from swirling winds, sitting the same stand, other hunters and draining the vein and they know that avoiding those places equals avoiding getting shot (at).

In the heat of the rut they may let their guard down and give you a chance, but my philosophy on trophy hunting a mature buck is you're already counting on him to make a mistake to begin with and do something he probably wouldn't do except in the heat of passion. The more things I can have on my side, the better.

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Thanks folks, great replies!!!

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I would never have told someone what to do or not to do in the past, but my step mother was just diagnosed with lung cancer. My advice would be to quit!

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redrider wrote:
I would never have told someone what to do or not to do in the past, but my step mother was just diagnosed with lung cancer. My advice would be to quit!

Agreed.

Sorry to hear that red.

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Thanks J
At this point she is doing well, just finished last chemo treatment. Now waiting to take CAT scan to see results. One nasty disease!

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