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i see savage has a smokeless front end loader now, it uses a vent-liner inside the breach plug, there saying it should be replaced every 60-100 shot of either power type, well, all three types, at first i thought it was to displace the power amount but it looks small, there's not much info out on the gun or power use yet, i'm interested in possibly useing smokeless in my knight rifles or the magbolt i bought back a few months ago, they show the smoleless power mesuerments at savage, of course i'd never try it till i read conformation on it, but thought i'd ask...

your views plaese, tia...

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it looks like i have time to ponder it now, till next season unless there talking the "early" special M/L season? ah, always confusing laws, go figure, thanks again...

http://www.dgif.state.va.us/newsroom/pr-100901-Powder.html

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First, in every state that I've lived in it, it is illegal to use smokeless powder during the muzzleloader season.

Second, putting smokeless powder in any firearm intended for blackpowder (which means EVERY SINGLE MUZZLELOADER OUT THERE, except the new Savage) is a VERY DANGEROUS thing to do! Sooner or later, though, someone will do it and lose a finger, an eye, or their life in the process.

DON'T DO IT!!!

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Donmillion got it right.
Only the Savage ML has a barrel strong enough for smokeless powder. NEVER, NEVER use smokeless powder in any ML. The Savage ML has recieved a lot of critism for this very reason. People will assume that becuase the Savage ML can handle smokeless powder, any ML can. This is not the case.
And like Don stated, I doubt there is a state out there where using smokeless powder during the ML hunt is legal. Most states require black powder or an equivelant substitute, and do not allow nitrocelluse based (smokeless) powders.

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NYS only requires loading through the front of the barrel. Smokeless powder is leagel during ML season. I am a traditionalist and only use a flintlock during special ML season. If I ever change my mind and move to the in line craze it will be with a Savage, shooting smokeless powder. I mean what is the worst part of the sport? Cleaning. With the Savage 1 cleaning with a little Hoppes #9 end of the season and you are all set. Hats off to Savage.

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All the guys I hunt with shoot the savage. We all love them. Their clean and they shoot great. You only get one shot make it count.

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I am sorry I completely disagree with a smokeless gun in a BP only season.
As I said before I am a traditionalist as well. While I am not against those who chose to shoot inline rifles I do believe the ballistics should not exceed those of any traditional BP rifle made before 1900 that includes the use of sabots tighter rifling so on and on, BLA, BLA, BLA. If you like that weapon fine use it in the general hunt where even a slingshot is legal. that’s what I do with my BP when General season is in swing.

Crud ,even the archery guys have had to draw lines to save the sanctity of what their seasons are for or guys would have been shooting rocket Propelled arrows for gods sake.

IMO if it looks like a center fire, sounds like a center fire, has the range and speed of a center fire, smells like a center fire then it probably is a center fire and that where it belongs no mater how you load it ..” and for those laughing LOL I do know what center fire means but I think you get my point”

If you only got one shot and cant make it the old BP way? I have to question your reasoning for wanting to hunt in a BP only season and with a front stuffer to boot.

On the other side of that coin I would say COOL!!! about this rifle , then wonder why?
Right now ya, the cleaning is the worst part. With this rifle all the accouterments will be the worst part, when they are gone then the speed loaders will be the worst part and then where will we MMMMMMMMM back to loading brass and shooting a center fire rifle or maybe rim fire will come first again, who knows.

Enough is enough I think a person must look at why it is he wants to hunt with BP.
*Is it for a season that is short range only? If so why not use a shotgun?
*Is it so a person can have more hunting time? I can see that as I used to hunt archery as well.

Or is it really that:
we want to hunt all the season’s but want to use the fastest, coolest, badest thing around as long as we can disguise it to fit into any single weapons season.
or
That we fell some how ripped off by having to maintain and use a replica or antic fire arm?

Before you all think im ranting I want to say something.

I honestly feel that the reason that we all have so many problems fighting the anti hunting/ fish /us groups are because we cant get along with each other.
I also believe this discussion/ weapon right here stab right to the hart of the problem. Respect for each other .
If a person wants to hunt in a BP only season then "great" respects that, help them keep that season going for the very reason that it was started. Same with archery or general seasons, fly fishing or no bait seasons .we need to toe a line and help keep all our sports for what they are and that’s not a longer season guys/ gals.
If we do not soon there will be no season at all.
Please think about that and don’t put smokeless powder in you BP gun ;o)

[ This Message was edited by: captchee on 2004-01-17 13:19 ]

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donmillion wrote:
First, in every state that I've lived in it, it is illegal to use smokeless powder during the muzzleloader season.

Second, putting smokeless powder in any firearm intended for blackpowder (which means EVERY SINGLE MUZZLELOADER OUT THERE, except the new Savage) is a VERY DANGEROUS thing to do! Sooner or later, though, someone will do it and lose a finger, an eye, or their life in the process.

DON'T DO IT!!!

1st. Many states are reviewing their laws to accommodate smokeless powder.

2nd.The Savage 10-ML is designed for smokeless powder and is a fantastic firearm.

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rkensparc wrote:
Donmillion got it right.
Only the Savage ML has a barrel strong enough for smokeless powder. NEVER, NEVER use smokeless powder in any ML. The Savage ML has recieved a lot of critism for this very reason. People will assume that becuase the Savage ML can handle smokeless powder, any ML can. This is not the case.
And like Don stated, I doubt there is a state out there where using smokeless powder during the ML hunt is legal. Most states require black powder or an equivelant substitute, and do not allow nitrocelluse based (smokeless) powders.

Currently, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Tennesee, as I've hunted in each of these states.

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