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Lived in a state that I was forced to use shotgun and slugs for deer hunting. I have since moved from that state for that reason. Accuracy is simply ok and range limitation stinks (alhough both are leaps and bounds better than even 10 years ago). I've had several several deer hang up beyond my comfort range with slugs. I couldn't take it anymore and had to move to a centerfire state. I have enough deer hang up on me during bow season!

Also L.E. fireams instructor and shoot my fair share of slugs yearly. An excellent up close and personal "brush" gun, they kill stuff real good. Ammo and guns get better and better every year. The biggest deterent is RECOIL. I was once told by and instructor that the 12 gauge slug has the same recoil than the 375 H&H. I think they're worse. Even the "reduced recoil" slugs thump ya. And the recoil makes practice dificult becuase you go back to bad habbits real quick if your not careful. Last year my dept got 40 new Moss 590's (all tricked out) welllll guess who had to function check and zero them in 2 days "So we can get em on the road!" Yea, I was a little sore for the next week or so.

If I was a back packer in bear country I'd load up a shorty 12 with slugs and carry on. Best of luck to all and good hunting.

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Location: Western ans Northern Canada
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I guess my old Remington Model 11 auto must have sucked some recoil because I never really feared the recoil of slugs....And I shot lots...
Funny thing though,when my son was small,he wanted to shoot my shotgun,I even placed my hand behind him when he happily fired it.Then he helped me handload some ammo for my 7 mm,and We made some really reduced powder loads for him to shoot,I think 100 gr. bullets.
We went out to my gold claim,and he tried the rifle reluctantly,(Browning Bar),He pulled the trigger,and just set the rifle down and walked away,shaking his head...
I'm reading people say slugs kick hard,I always thought that the heavier the bullet the harder the kick,so a 500 or 600 gr. slug must kick.
I have yet to try the Remington "Buckhammer" slugs,the overwhelming consensus is they kick really hard!
I came to hate the recoil from my .338,I liked it when I was a young fool,but I found myself more concentrating on preparing for the recoil than aiming,so it lost favour with me,then I got the 7 mm. I much more favour that gun.
The 7mm will take moose for me now,the .338 is old history...
And I love how flat it shoots! It cost me a young bull first time,shooting at long range I fired over his back,thinking of the bullet drop on a .338,I emptied the gun,4 shots,what a fool I was... Cry

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Slug shooter!

I'm a slug shooter.

Thats all i hunt with for deer (and the occasional archery).
For DON,

I have a really small frame and i shoot lightfield slugs in my rifled barrel (mossberg 500) and the recoil isn't that bad. It's a lot worse than clay pidgeon ammo. and i couldn't shoot more than about 10 at a time but for most hunting applications these slugs have far more knock down power than a lot of rifles.

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I agree!
The Remington "Buckhammer slug is 13/8 ounce!
Haha!

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My only comment is, slugs are better than buck shot, but then almost anything is!

TrapperMike, I think if you will place a cornograph out at 50 yds, you will find the 1500fps, and 3200 fpe will not longer exist at that point! Those are ADVERTIZED VELOCITIES, and are quite optimistic, even at muzzle!

I use slugs often but I'm not under the misconception that they are somehow magic! At close range they are very good,, at long range they are miserable IMO! NOW the "BORE RIFLES" , are another story, all together! These are rifles, not shotguns, and the ammo is made of brass, with solid hardened lead or jacketed soft points, like any other rifle. The ammo has the same over all look of a shotgun shell, but are true rifle cartridges. Even tese in a 12bore rifle rarely make over 1500 fps, and the bullets are much heavier, and sturdier than any shotgun slug. Still these are short range rifles! There is most likely a very good reason the regulations doesn't allow slugs for moose in Canada!

However, if slugs float your boat, set sail! Thumbs up

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DUGABOY1,I respect your opinion,but the new slug guns and ammo have elevated slug shooting well above "Grannie Clampet's" "Old Betty" shogun and Foster slugs.Check out the American Slugshooters Association website.With the new rifled barrels and a good scope,and the new Hi-Tech sabot ammo,groups of 2" or less are common at a 100 yards,and killing power is good for 150.
Some of the new sabot loads from Hornady,Remington,etc,use modern hunting bullets(usually about .50 cal.),copper jacketed such as the Hornady .300 gr. SST,or the Remington Core-Loct 385 gr. Avertised velocities are 1900 and 2000 fps respectfully and cronographs show they actually come close. Muzzle energy varies from the type of load up to 3700 ft. pds.! And these new rounds do have accuracy and range. Yes
Here in B.C.,yes slugs are not allowed for moose,but any centrefire is.So I can legally hunt moose with a .17 cal Remington.
The rules need to be difined a little better.
I don't know now,but in Yukon 12 ga. slugs were legal for moose.

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trappermike wrote:
DUGABOY1,I respect your opinion,but the new slug guns and ammo have elevated slug shooting well above "Grannie Clampet's" "Old Betty" shogun and Foster slugs.Check out the American Slugshooters Association website.With the new rifled barrels and a good scope,and the new Hi-Tech sabot ammo,groups of 2" or less are common at a 100 yards,and killing power is good for 150.
Some of the new sabot loads from Hornady,Remington,etc,use modern hunting bullets(usually about .50 cal.),copper jacketed such as the Hornady .300 gr. SST,or the Remington Core-Loct 385 gr. Avertised velocities are 1900 and 2000 fps respectfully and cronographs show they actually come close. Muzzle energy varies from the type of load up to 3700 ft. pds.! And these new rounds do have accuracy and range. Yes
Here in B.C.,yes slugs are not allowed for moose,but any centrefire is.So I can legally hunt moose with a .17 cal Remington.
The rules need to be difined a little better.
I don't know now,but in Yukon 12 ga. slugs were legal for moose.

A 385 gr 50cal bullet would have such poor ballistic qualities it would likely not maintain much down range very far. And a 385 gr bullet at 2000 fps will not make but a bit over 3400 ft lbs e at 10' from the muzzle. The 300 gr would be even less. I do believe any shotgun slug would be better as big game medicine than a 17 Rem. That's ridiculous.

I think the point that Dugaboy was making is that if your going to put up with that kind of recoil, you'd be way ahead of the game to use a larger bore rifle.
A 300gr bullet from a 405 Win will better the balistics you have with the slugs.

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I agree with you on the rifle.
I gave energys of slugs in general,"up to".The 385 gr. loads hits at about 3100 ft. lbs. But there is a Lightfield load 546 gr. at 1900 fps that hits at 3728 ft.lbs.,that is not a long range load.
The point is these loads are more than adequate for moose within their range limitations.
My other point is that if they specify simply that "Centerfire" is ok for moose they should be more specific.The regs used to say centrefire larger than .22 calible,but I still disagree,I think the regs should specify "Centrefire .25 cal or larger" for hunting moose.
In the dense forest in the northern areas a 100 yd. shot on a moose is not so often anyway.
I enjoy hunting with a shotgun,just as others may prefer a handgun or a bow. Big smile

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A 546 gr slug. Thats a bit over 1 1/4 oz. the velocity, thats something else. I'm sure they will kill a moose very dead but I think i'd want to be close as possible.

As for the centerfire I'd even say a 6.5 as min. I'd just feel a lot more comfortable launching a 140 or 160 gr bullet rather than a 120gr bullet. Actually if I were to hunt moose I would take along my 30-06. Not because I think it's all that much more effective than one of my 6.5's but because IHave it, have never shot a 30-06 at game and it probably is more effective on an animal that size. The guys that write your game regs must be on loan from this country!

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Exactly,I agree. I don't feel comfortable hunting moose with my 7mm Rem. Mag. with anything less than a 160 gr. bullet,and I load a bullet of strong construction,such as the Nosler Partition,Winchester Black Talon,or Swift A-Frame.
For deer I found the 150gr.Nosler Ballistic Tip is dynamite! Stops 'em fast.
I can understand some of the thought against hunting moose with slugs,using an old gun with no sights or trying shots too far for the slug could end up in wounding an animal to escape and suffer or die.
But then again,shooting a moose with a .222 (being legal) is not right either.I can't justify such a tiny calibre bullet on moose at any range.
Maybe one day I will try to have a talk with whoever is writing our regulations.... Brick Wall,)

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