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Slaughter House Rules

More ridiculous gambits being considered by duly elected officials. In this case New York Democrat Louise Slaughter (House Rules Committee) would not even require a full vote on the Senate Health Care bill even in a "reconciliation" process. Rather they would use some sort of "self-executing" process so that Democrats wouldn't actually have to register a Yes or No vote.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870390980457512351277307008...

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We have entered a political wonderland, where the rules are whatever Democrats say they are. Mrs. Pelosi and the White House are resorting to these abuses because their bill is so unpopular that a majority even of their own party doesn't want to vote for it.

In related news, only a minority of the nation actually supports the health care reform bill. The rest are opposed or undecided.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870468860457512599253822749...

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Re: Slaughter House Rules

It's BECAUSE of the opposition to Obama-care that the dems are coming up with all these shenanigans. I'm amazed at the lengths they will go to, to get this passed. I really thought that at some point Obama, Pelosi and the dems pushing this would finally get the message, but obviously they keep telling us idiots that we don't know what we want or need.

We NEED reform and the GOP has been willing to take this bill, dissect it and pass it in smaller more digestable chunks. Throw out all the payoffs, chop up the bill and get back to work - but I guess doing the sensible thing, is just that - too sensible.

Funny thing, when I first heard this called the "slaughter strategy" - I thought it was an apt description, and did not realize it was actually named after a person!

Come on November!!!

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Re: Slaughter House Rules

What amazes me is that not only do they think Americans want this albatross, but want it bad enough to sacrifice democracy to get it.

From Webster:

Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date: 1921
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

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I'm sorry to say that nothing the Democrats do to get their way surprises me. They have been past masters of underhanded political tactics since the days of tamny hall in the 1850's and the Chicago political scene apparently still hasn't recovered from it's notorious mobster days. My biggest worry is that the other party seems to be slowly eroding as well. I thinks it's time for a change of a different sort. I think what America needs are a couple more political parties that are serious condenders for power. The two partty system is clearly broken as is health care reform. No one wants it in it's present form and neither party can agree on a solution.

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Dont loose hope from a Carter we will get a Reagan. The GOP is getting the message and rather then 3rd parties that split the vote as Perot did we need a rebirth of consevative values.

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On the surface Tony that sounds great. The problem with that is that eventualy, like in all things the pendulum will swing back the other way. This country was not founded on a two party system but on one of mulitple parties with differing values and beliefs. No one party becamce too powerful and there was some semblance of a balance of power. It matters not if we have a King George or a Queen Pelosi the point is in a two party system there's no balance and it's one or the other. The difference between us and the old Soviet Union is that we get one more choice on the ballot. I believe we need one or more political parties to emerge and become a real contender, much like Ross Perot did. The problem with him was that he was a one man maverick, not a true political party but the idea was a good one and could have worked. Especialy had there been a true balance instead of just a division of conservatives.

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I have to disagree with you bunnyslayer. Perot is the reason we are in this situation. Clinton would have never won the first election if it wasnt for Perot who split the conservative vote . Most of the legislature that lead to the down fall of Fannie May and Freddie Mac was implicated during the Clinton years as well as the programs that lead to the power of community organizers such as ACORN. At least with Bush 2 if you didnt agree with him he didnt go after you and just accepted that you had a choice as an American to disagree. Unlike the current admin.I would take the pendulum swinging back the other way in a heartbeat. Reagan lowered taxes from around 70% to 28% leading one of the biggest economical growths in US history. Still I dont beleive the elitests in Washington have a clue what working class America is all about.

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Tony,
Your assuming the new parties would only be on the right. I'm talking about a real balance. The problem with the pendulum is that the left, while in power, seems to make their inroads on the economy, gun rights and other issue while the conservatives seem to leave things status quo, or at worst, Like Bush II worsen the situation in some ways. Even during much of the Clinton administration we had a house majority and could have done good things other than argue amongst ourselves. To use Fannie and Freddie as an example, we had years to correct this after Clinton, and we wasted it. We had years to shore up the holes, made by the left in the 2nd amendment and we wasted that oppurtunity as well. I agree with Obama in one respect. It's time for a change all right. Right across the board.

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Bunny slayer I agree with you on the republicans did have time to sure up the holes after Clinton , but it was this we need to balence things way of thinking that got it us into this mess . The RNC was not being conservative enough with moving towards being a moderate party and not haveing the back bone to get things done. As far as the Bush years the energy prices as well as the economy were not bad until 2006 when the dems took control of the house. Unemployment rates were not bad until after 2006 as was the fuel prices at 219 a gal for unleaded gas . Soon as the dems got control then the bans on drilling were put into place. I am a Reagan republican and like when tax rates are lowered. In one year with this administration my small business is barely making it . When the execs have money the spend the money and I make money . When Obama is giving out handouts it doesnt do squat for me. How is it that the lady driving the new Mercedes unto the parking lot at the grocery store has food coupons to buy all her groceries ? She is getting houseing assistance while I work 6 days week and am driving a truck with over 400,000 miles on it [actually 437,000 its a toyota].

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The mistake the Republicans made is that Saul Alinsky has taken over the Democratic party. Alinsky's tactics are all about bullying people into submission because they're scared of being labled. It's kind of like the kid who gets his way in a store by throwing himself on the ground and screaming, "I'm sorry, Mommy! Please stop hitting me! I promise I'll be good!" So the Republicans thought they could get ahead by using a soft hand and trying to be nice. The fact of the matter is that the only way to beat Alinsky is to deny them the guilt they try to stick on you and blackmail you with. If you're ever in a debate with a liberal and they start using Alinskyisms, all you have to do is deny the fear, refuse the labels, call them out on their tactics, and rip them apart with facts. Do that, and they start running for the exits.

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tonyoneword1 wrote:
I have to disagree with you bunnyslayer. Perot is the reason we are in this situation. Clinton would have never won the first election if it wasnt for Perot who split the conservative vote . Most of the legislature that lead to the down fall of Fannie May and Freddie Mac was implicated during the Clinton years as well as the programs that lead to the power of community organizers such as ACORN. At least with Bush 2 if you didnt agree with him he didnt go after you and just accepted that you had a choice as an American to disagree. Unlike the current admin.I would take the pendulum swinging back the other way in a heartbeat. Reagan lowered taxes from around 70% to 28% leading one of the biggest economical growths in US history. Still I dont beleive the elitests in Washington have a clue what working class America is all about.

Tonyoneword1,
It's amazing how you and Expat sound so similar in this post. I mean I recall your first posts on this forum were filled with misspellings and typos as if you fatfingered the keys or typed in extreame haste. But man I'll tell ya this post I'm quoting you on here actually makes some sence. It's alsmost as if you an Expat are one in the same Confused
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