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mtcop,
The pucker factor for me was very obvious. The last 200 yds closing the distance I was thinking this is sure different when we talked about it. And my 300 weatherby looked a little smaller. Laugh

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Once you skin a brown bear you know why it takes so much to brinhg it down. The first time I skinned in it reminded me of the terminator!!!

Funny but true!

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I've never shot a Brown or Grizzley bear; Never even seen one in the wild. Nevre hunted them either but have one black Bear. mtcop71 probally has the answer for the inside of the black I shot was awsume. Thick layer of fat my first shot didn't get thru. Of course I did use a bad bullet.

I've read many many stories of grizzly hunts. They really get me but, no desire to hunt them myself. One of the things I notice is that there is nothing in common in the kills. A 270 knocks one flat and a 338 doesn't. Just a thought but maybe more important than the cartridge is the bullet?

I had the good fortune to spend a few hours with Clark Engle years ago, great guy. He said that the best grizzley cartridge in his opinion was tyhe 300 Win with a 200 gr bullet. But he'd rather someone with a 30-06 they could shoot than a 300 they couldn't. But he also said the most important thing was the bullet.

Priceless bit of triva from Mr Engle. Do you know how to tell the difference between a sow and a boar? Boars have big chest's, sow's have big hips. He cautioned me not to tell my wife about that.

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Never hunted the big guys neitherbut was just looking through a new Weatherby brochure and the 378 Wtby has three tons of energy.

I don't know what would be worse.. The bear tearing your shoulder off or the recoil

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It's funny you say that about the .378 Weatherby. I own one and with the muzzle break on it, the recoil is not bad at all. I dropped a moose at 300 yds dead in his track with 270 grain barnes x.

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Don,

You ar e correct when it comes to caliber and bears. It is alot different then pulling up and getting ready to squeeze one off on a whitetail.

When you pullup on a Bear at 100yds your brreathing goes through the roof and you shake like a crap game. Part nerves and exxcitement and part fear. Things that go through your mind ina slpit second before you pull that trigger....
1. If I hit him and don't drop him will he charge me
2. If I hit him and don't drop me will he run into the alders before I can squeeze off another round.
I rarely believe no one feels the recoil at that moment you squeeze off from any gun. Your adrenaline takes over. My 2 cents anyway

You definately want to go with the best bullet that retains the most weight. I have found that the Barnes x and XXX do a outstanding job of this. Your noslers and partitions tend to break up and loose massive amounts of energy quickly..

Coop

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mtcop71,
I agree with you on the barnes bullet. I have had complete pass through and one shot kills on three moose so far with the triple x in 300wsm 180 grains. I'm going to use 200 gr. xxx in my .325 wsm kimber this coming season for deer and moose. I'd like to try their new mrx bullet also.

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Up here in the Interior I carry a 357 Mag. 6" Colt Python with 180gr Sierra FPJ handloads............

My two main rifles a 338 Win/225 TSX and 300 Win/165TSX handloads.

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If it was a defense weapon. I would lean toward a 12ga. saboted slug in a pump with the shortest rifled barrel allowed by law.
I wouldn't want the wind blowing the pepper spray back in my face and I don't care to have a bear close enough to smell his breath.
If the first slug doesn't stop him. It will certainly slow him down enough to make the second one count.

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If you feel the need, 12 gage with buckshot is the only way to go. I have 55 years in Alaska and my father had 80 years and was a bush pilot. He carried a 22 to shoot game to eat, we never worried about bears, even though we lived in bear country. They will leave you alone if you leave them alone.

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