If using a large hard hitting round such as 300 win mag or larger (with a quality bullet such as a Nosler Accubond) would you aim for vitals behind front shoulder or go for a breakdown of the animal with a front shoulder shot?
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Sun, 2014-09-28 20:38
Shot placement on elk?
Sun, 2014-09-28 21:12#1
Unless it's a quartering shot
Unless it's a quartering shot I will go for the vitals behind the front shoulder. But hey, I'm a meat hunter too and don't want to ruin a bunch of meat on the front shoulder. If you double lung an elk, it's not going too far.
Sun, 2014-09-28 21:18#2
Behind the front shoulder
Behind the front shoulder every time if I have that shot. At the least all you loose is a little bit of rib meat, and at worse you loose some back straps. If you go through the front shoulder then that side is almost useless unless you do a lot of work on it and the other side will be worse.
Mon, 2014-09-29 08:37#3
For me it's always a double
For me it's always a double lung shot, or I don't pull the trigger.
What you asked it what I don't like magnum cartridges. I'm not pointing at you, but too many get magnums, and think they can take chanchy shots. I believe more elk are lost to magnums than smaller cartridges, because those with small guns are more careful about shot placement.
Mon, 2014-09-29 18:53#4
Behind the shoulder, or maybe a neck shot, depending on the distance ?.
I don't want to reuin much meat either.
Mon, 2014-09-29 21:12#5
Neck meat is good.
Neck meat is good.
Mon, 2014-09-29 21:28#6
In all reallity there isn't
In all reallity there isn't anything wrong with any of the meat on a elk. Start with the heart, liver, kidneys, and toung. I even cut some of the cheak meat off of mine this year after I caped the head out. I do have to admit that most of my burger comes from the neck after I get done cutting a couple of nice roast off of it.
Tue, 2014-09-30 07:59#7
Concur with the group that
Concur with the group that the double lung shot is the best and I do hunt with a 300 win mag. Also concur about not wasting any meat off an elk. The less blood shock I have to cut away and loose the better. Capes and wall trophies are very nice but they do not fill the freezer and feed the family.
Tue, 2014-09-30 12:00#8
Shot Placement on Elk
Remington742 wrote:If using a large hard hitting round such as 300 win mag or larger (with a quality bullet such as a Nosler Accubond) would you aim for vitals behind front shoulder or go for a breakdown of the animal with a front shoulder shot?
I've practically lived on elk meat for the past 40 some years. I consider elk to be one of the best tasting meat out there, including beef.
I learned long ago that a well placed bullet, hit broadside, tight behind the shoulder is deadly when I put a 117 grain .25 caliber Sierra GameKing bullet there on a very large 6x6 bull and he literally dropped dead in his tracks.
After that, I killed quite a number of elk with that same shot placement, only with 180 grain Nosler Partition bullets at .30-06 Improved velocities. They were all quick kills, but they often left 1/4 to 1/3 of the rib cage in jellied, bloodshot mush.
About 5 years ago I finally built what I consider the ultimate elk rifle, a .300 Weatherby, and in 2010 I snuck to within about 100 yards of a small herd of elk, and I put a 168 grain Barnes TSX bullet just behind the bulls shoulder. The 5x5 turned, took 3 steps, and fell dead. That bullet completely passed through the bull, made mush of his lungs, and destroyed about the smallest abount of meat as any elk that I have shot with a bullet.
These photos show the entrance and exit wounds, and the area of bloodshot meat is only slightly larger than a .300 Weatherby case.
Last year, I didn't follow my own advice, and I shot my bull in his front shoulder. He was standing quartering to me about 175 yards away, and only a few steps from private land that I didn't have permission to hunt. The 168 grain TTSX bullet broke the thick part of the bulls shoulder blade and a rib, then went completely through his body and stopped just under his skin in front of his opposite ham. He dropped dead where he was standing, but about half of his shoulder was a bloodshot jellied mess.
Thu, 2014-10-09 02:32#9
4 out of the last 6 have been below the ear. One was actually in the ear and out the eye. The only bad thing about shooting them there is I didn't get to see them fall except a bull that was napping at 35 yds and his head just fell over as he was laying down. I had 2 cow tags in my pocket and had 6 cows pop their heads up at 200 yds. I had a good rest and fired. By the time the dust settled I could only see one cow running dead away from me and then stopped at 350yds. She looked back and I put it right on her ear and fired. She was either going to be dead or running away unharmed. I saw what looked to be a fresh cut log where she was at and started walking up to the spot. Then I noticed the sage moving closer. First cow down and kicking her legs. I keep walking and the closer I get I begin to think what I was seeing was an elk and sure enough it was. Cow 2 down. No meat loss and really the only ethical shot I had at both. If I have a good rest I don't hesitate to aim there.
Thu, 2014-10-09 11:49#10
Head shots on elk
Head shots on big game animals can result in an instant kill, a complete miss, or a wounded animal that most likely be lost and will suffer a lingering death. This same statement can also be said about any other shot, except that a head shot is a very small target.
A large bull elk can weigh more than 800 pounds. His vital heart/lungs area is a little bigger than a basketball but his vital head/brain area is smaller than a softball. A hit below and/or in front of the brain will most likely break the upper of lower jaw of the animal, and he will probably run off and eventually starve to death.
I have several friends who have each killed several elk and even a few American Buffalo with their .22-250s and brain shots. However, they are very experienced hunters and are way above average shooters.
A number of years ago I was on a deer hunt in eastern Montana with several friends and co-workers. Two of the guys were twin brothers, and they were both professional biologists. This also was not their first deer hunt.
Long story short, both of thest guys took head shots on whitetail bucks, both said their bucks dropped, then got up and both said they could see the lower jaw of their deer hanging down as they ran away. Neither one of those deer were found.
For the past two years, I've helped in our gun club's open public sight-in day. Each of these years we've helped about 200 new and once a year shooters sight in their rifles for the upcomming deer and elk seasons. Most of these people are happy if they can shoot three shots in a group the size of a baseball at 100 yards. And these shots are off sandbag rests on concrete shooting benches.
When these people go hunting in the field, they won't have a solid bench rest to shoot off, they probably won't know the exact range, then add that they may be breathing heavily and the excitement of buck fever, and an instant kill of an head shot becomes very iffy.