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I sold the .270 win to a buddy of mine cheap. . Basically so he could get into hunting. I grew up with the gun.That left me with a .30-06 and a .338 win mag.

I wanted a flat shooting rifle capable out to about 375-400 yards for sheep, goat and deer. The .338 seemed to big and the .30-06 didn't have the 200-400 yard ballistics i wanted. That is where the .270wsm came in.

the funny thing is i have never shot past 350 yards. would the .30-06 or .338 worked, yes. But i wanted to give myself a xmas present 2 years ago. since than the .270 wsm has acounted for 4 deer and a dall.

Basically it is what i wanted and liked. lol

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I bought a 300 wsm. For me it fit the defintion of the all around travelling gun. The advantage I saw is that it is close to the 300 Win but in a shorter and lighter rifle. I know, now comes the "I can carry a heavy rifle all day up the Rockies and through every God forsaken swamp and still have the energy to wrestle a grizzly" argument. Personally, I have nothing left to prove and I like shorter and lighter. Aside from that, it's just another new caliber just like the 30.06, 7mm Remington. etc. etc. all were at one time. Granted, it fills no appreciable ballistics gap in the shooting world, but every year that goes by I appreciate it more and more.

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ive seen 300 win 300 wsm and 300 wum i think. what is the difference in them maybe the cost in bullets?? a friend told me that 308 and 30 06 are killed the kissing cousins?? the problem is on most ballists charts i see the 30 06 rounds seem to be better. 220 grain bullets dont even come up on the 308?? the 180 grain in 308 seem to drp more. ive looked at several charts so im confused. then u get into the 300, i see some bullets that r not even mentioned like the 220 for the 30 06 (308), so then again, i here they are basically the same but im still confused.. i too was looking to get a 300 but i want something i one can afford and too that will give me a heavier bullet in case need it that is store bought. being like a idiot, i sould all my reloading equp yrs ago because i was working 3 jobs and didnt think id ever be able to reload again lol. there is no 308 rds in 220 grain (store bought) offered like the 30 06. so, when i checked into the 300 i ran into the same kind of thing. which make me confued lol roberrtt

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I handload so I don't look too closely, but every time I've glanced at the prices of 300 win and 300 wsm they have been the same as of late (that's here in Florida). And that brings up the reason I prefer the WSM: If I do for some reason have to buy ammo off the shelf, I know I'll have an easy time finding something that will shoot well. When I was doing load development 90 percent of the loads shot well (within an inch and a half) and I've heard this from others as well. The 300 wsm is not picky about ammo.

Admittedly, the prices are going to be a lot less for the 308 and 30.06 if you find a brand that works well. And, In my opinion if you think the 300 ammo is too expensive to practice with, then I would buy the one I would be willing to practice with.

The way I understand the 30.06 / 308 debate is this: the 308 generally shoots lighter bullets (up to 150 / 165 gr.) as well as the 30.06 (within 100 fps or so). When the bullets get heavier, the 30.06 takes over. At least that's how I read it out of my Nosler reloading book.

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Highflyer wrote:
The way I understand the 30.06 / 308 debate is this: the 308 generally shoots lighter bullets (up to 150 / 165 gr.) as well as the 30.06 (within 100 fps or so). When the bullets get heavier, the 30.06 takes over. At least that's how I read it out of my Nosler reloading book.

The same holds true for the difference between the 300 win mag and the 300 WSM. The difference with lighter (<180gr) is minimal but the long mags start to shine with the heavy for caliber 200 and 220 gr bullets.

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So what it pretty much comes down to is new toys! I can appriciate that A few years back I got a 300 RUM did I need that big of a gun?? Hell no but it sure is fun, I guess its the same thing. If thats what turns you on then more power to ya!

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wyoelkhunter wrote:
So what it pretty much comes down to is new toys! I can appriciate that A few years back I got a 300 RUM did I need that big of a gun?? Hell no but it sure is fun, I guess its the same thing. If thats what turns you on then more power to ya!

I did the same thing and I love mine too! Thumbs up Laugh

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My understanding is that the short mags are more efficient a round. You end up using less powder to achieve the same velocities. For factory ammo, you should then theoretically see lower ammo prices for the short mags. If not then the manufacturers are getting a little more profit! LOL.

I do not own any short mags, this is from an article I read.

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........My .338 Browning A-bolt has handled the black bear, moose, and (my passion.....)..Dall sheep hunts for the past 6 years.........

-I am excited about my mod 70 Featherweight Winchester .30-06 I found this year, for the Delta Controlled Use Area I was fortunate enough to draw (sheep-early season-).not traversing snow slides, glaciers, and doing massive side-hilling w/ my 9-1/2 lb rifle this year!!! Shame on You! lol

.325 WSM and . .358 Norma are great calibers up here.........

...........reeling myself in from rambling,though......the short mag.-..and even SSM..........are wonderful-and recoil is more, not less.but, nevermind that....it is the penetration and ripping effect you are after...there have been some recent , awesome articles surfacing and delineating the myth of "knock-down power "- and, it varies so much, between species, range, and the type/grain of your bullet.

-SHORT MAGNUM.........SOON TO BE THE ALASKAN STANDARD, IN MY BOOK! Yes

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Less recoil ?/ Recoil measurement is a scientific formula. Nothing whatsoever to do with caliber, length of action, length of barrel or the girth of a cartridge.

ChesterGolf

Less recoil because they use less powder, with the fat cases they just burn more more powder at the ignition compaired to the tall slim 270 win cases. ths gives greater MV and energy. The 270 wsm has slightly more power than the 270 wby mag load. The 270 WSM 130 grains 2.860" 3,275 fps -9.02 3,096 with a 24" bbl. The 270 WBY MAG 130 grains 3.295" 3,200 fps -9.57 2,955 with a 26" bbl. The 270 WSM is a great round, I shot Elk, Deer, Pronghorns, and Bear with my model 70. If you want a flat shooting round with lots of downrange killing power look hard at the 270 WSM.

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