The reality is there are nonbelted cartridges out there ( the RUM's) that blow the antiquated, belted rounds out of the water and these wsm's perform every bit as well as the belted wonders in lighter, easier to carry all day, rifles. NO BELT. Isn't it wonderful.
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Mon, 2004-06-07 20:31#21
Mon, 2004-06-07 21:27#22
For the RUMs, it depends on what you're comparing them to. A 375 RUM is less powerful than a 378 WBY. I'm not weak, so I don't complain about packing an 8.5 lb rifle all day. Plus, 7mm and 300 magnum power isn't all great in a short light rifle. SO basically, where are all the great advantages now? A short action is overstated at most. I have no trouble with longer bolt throws, a short mag, at least as far as I could tell, doesn't kick any less than a standard magnum, and doesn't have any less muzzle blast to speak of, in fact its worse when its a short rifle.
Aside from this, in a previous post, you said a 7mm-08 loaded hotter than a 270 Winchester? Nonsense. A 140 grain bullet at even 3000 fps out of a 7mm-08 is a major improvement. No matter how you cut it, both properly loaded, the 270 packs more of a wallop. So does the 280 Remington. Same for the 30-06 and a 308.
Maybe the actual trend is weaker, less durable hunters. Now granted I'm not pointing any fingers, but it seems like some people are getting lazy. An 8.5 lb rifle should not be problematic to carry in the field.
Mon, 2004-06-07 22:10#23
Hey, Captain Obvious
If your going to state what you consider a quote. Get it right or keep it to yourself. I've noticed you have a difficult time comprehending what is stated. Where I went to school. No comparable difference and hotter are not the same thing
I own 2 of the wsm's, 270wsm and 300wsm I know what they're capable of because I shoot them. I wouldn't waste my money on one of those belted wonders when I can get comparable performance from a more versatile round. I will soon be the proud owner of a rifle chambered for another short fat round. The wildcat 264wsm. After I get the 264wsm shooting good there's a 338wsm in the plans.
I wonder if the Smithsonian will have a display of the belted cases after there gone.
I don't know a gunsmith that recommends a belted round in a custom gun. They'll make you one if that's what you want, but they'll tell you there are better ways to go.
I was on a long range backpacking trip a few years back and came across another backpacker that had a pack full of canned goods, instant coffee still in the jar and bottled propane to heat his food. There weren't any scales available but my guess is the pack weighed in at 80 or so pounds.
He also thought he had the bull by the horns.
Ain't it great. The world would be a boring place if everyone did the same thing. The same way. Every time.
I don't know any hunters that use a 378wea to hunt North America. What a concept. WOW.
If it soots ya, do it.
Tue, 2004-06-08 12:39#24
Uh, more versatile? Nah! Plus, I haven't seen too many 375 RUM's either around here either. And I hate to tell you, but the belted mags aren't going anywhere. The 7 Rem Mag and 300 Win Mag are way up there on sales lists, and the shortfats aren't changing this at all, at least not outside your imagination.
Tue, 2004-06-08 19:32#25
This one's all for you, Fuzzybear.
So gunsmith's don't recommend belted mag chamberings? So why, then, does Kenny Jarrett, who makes what are probably the most accurate sporting rifles in the country, offer both the 7mm Remington Magnum, and 300 Winchester Magnum, both belted magnums, in rifles that he's selling, and the 284 and 300 Jarretts, also belted magnums? Here's the link
Have a nice day! 8)
Tue, 2004-06-08 23:02#26
Hey, Captain O
Comprehension isn't one of your better qualities. Try reading the posts as their written. Not as you think they're written. Your out in left field.
Jarrett developed those rifles many years ago. Powder capacity and availability !!! There is a slough of new powders and cases available since.
When competition shooters used the belted cases. They did not utilize the belt. The head spacing was from the shoulder. The cases were used for capacity only. But, you probably already knew that.
Wed, 2004-06-09 09:08#27
Not....really, and evidently your comprehension isn't much better, seeing as how the 300 Jarrett is still his most popular round and it's a belted case! But I'm sure you already knew that. Next time learn your facts before you start yapping.
Oh, and here's another observation, try using proper punctuation and sentence formation once in a while. There should have been a comma in that second part of your post, not a period.
Wed, 2004-06-09 14:45#28
Thank you for all your input on the long belted rounds. I can't say it was informative, but the exchange was interesting.
To get back to the topic of short actions.
The things I appreciate most about the short actions are. Lighter, easily handled rifles can be designed around them.
If you desire, a longer barrel can be set. An inch to an inch and a half will increase the velocity and help stabilize the bullets and the rifle wouldn't be any longer than a standard round rifle. Yet the velocity would be comparable to the standard round.
The design features of the 300 WSM utilizing the longer barrel can bring the cartridge up to the velocities of the 300 WM.
I prefer the shorts, whether they be on the 308 case or the wsm case, simply because there are more options in rifle design.