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Well,

I have never hunted for Alaskan Brown bear or cape buffalo....I have found my comfort zone for cirtian situations....and that seems to be the safest way to go...I like this topic cause I have been hunting long enough to see game that others have shot and had get away and never seen again...for example a buddy of mine (after calling fish and game) dispatched as 4x4 white-tail that a muzzle loader hunter exacuted the infomas rear sholder shot...(ASS)...and I ened up with a spike by 3 Muley my second year out that some city folk blew the leg off of and decided not to follow up on...so I put him down and ended my season....then last year another buddy of mine shot a 4X5 white-tail that had 19" of shaft and broad head stuck square in his back.....Now this is enogh to make most people sick but over these years I have also seen 8 different 2 point mule deer that were shot and left here in Washington by other hunting parties due to the 3 point minimum....IDK what is worse poor shots and wasting game...or just flat out wasting game...here is a pic of a two point that was shot and left last year....20" wide and 21" tall 2X2..oh and by the way I got a little white-tail buck at 350yds running last year.....it's all in your comfort zone....

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RidgeRunner :
Am I reading your post right ? You say that you shot a deer, running at 350 yards and you make reference to "all within your comfort zone" also.
This certainly brings the Topic is to different level indeed. Running shots. And how does one practice for this event?
My opinion is running shots are a Shame on You! and shooting at something on the run at 350 yards is a definate Shame on You! Shame on You! Shame on You!

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I think another problem in addition to the gun magazine articles are those sniper and sharp shooter documentaries on the History Channel. A lot of new or younger hunters want to shoot like they see on TV and while some shooting skills used in hunting are borrowed from the sniping areana, hunting itself is not sniping.

If you don't think sniping is hunting you better think again. A police or military sniper is hunting the most dangerous animal in the world, another human being. Do you think and elk, deer, antelope, bear ect ect. can call in an air strike, artilery, set booby traps, or shoot back at you? Hell the average police sniper encounter is 52 yards. The average in the sand box right now is a little over 300 yards.

" There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and once you have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, you will prefer to hunt nothing there after." ....Ernest Hemingway

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remington wrote:
I think another problem in addition to the gun magazine articles are those sniper and sharp shooter documentaries on the History Channel. A lot of new or younger hunters want to shoot like they see on TV and while some shooting skills used in hunting are borrowed from the sniping areana, hunting itself is not sniping.

If you don't think sniping is hunting you better think again. A police or military sniper is hunting the most dangerous animal in the world, another human being. Do you think and elk, deer, antelope, bear ect ect. can call in an air strike, artilery, set booby traps, or shoot back at you? Hell the average police sniper encounter is 52 yards. The average in the sand box right now is a little over 300 yards.

" There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and once you have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, you will prefer to hunt nothing there after." ....Ernest Hemingway

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Remington,
We arent talking about military incursions where if you bad a poor hit its ok...We are talking about an animal that cant shoot back or call in a airstrike and DESERVES to be taken cleanly and efficiantly without the chance of running off for 2 miles leaving no bloodtrail, because some MORON took a RUNNING shot at 350 yards, and died going unrecovered. The topic here is ABILITY and staying WITHIN yours.

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350yrds............RUNNING.....................................WHAAAAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Whoa! Settle down guy's. It's quite possible to hit a running deer at three hundred yards. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn sometime's. I suspect that there exist's some that can do that, I doubt any can do it on demand.And as for relating war to sport hunting, I think many people do. I believe it's called acting out. I don't think we should shoot long range just because police and military sniper's do so,,,out of necessity. But I do believe that there are those that view a big game animal as the enemy. Sad but I think true. Most of these people would probally like to be a police or military sniper, until they find themselves in a situtation where the deer is actually shooting back! I think I read somewhere that the best snipers were not the one's that really wanted to do it, it was the one's that didn't but were trained to. I believe I also read where sniper's are trained to get as close as possible to insure a one shot kill. The long range stuff has been glorified, the hunt played down.

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You are correct Don...We are trained to get as close as possible while still allowing a viable eggress without detection...Hence gili suits and the MONTHS of STEALTH training...There is a reason its called HUNTING not SHOOTING...Can I make a 350 yard shot on a running elk? Yes if the conditions are right and I have a proper rest and no cross winds and I know the animal isnt gonna make a sharp turn or stumble right when I click off a round...Will I? NO because all those variables cannot be accounted for...Taking a shot such as that is sheer stupidity, and if made, dont think for an instant it was skill...IT WAS SHEER LUCK PERIOD!!! Now 350 yards on a standing, relaxed bull is a different story and If I could get no closer I wouldnt hesitate to take it but if I could get closer I definatly would..

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Don and Cam I agree w/ both of you and I don't veiw the deer I hunt as the enemy......as far as I'm concerned they my equal maybe even a notch up on me,after all I'm playing in thier house not mine.Maybe that's why the ones that end up in the living room and even the ones that don't...mean so much to me.

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Remington,
We arent talking about military incursions where if you bad a poor hit its ok...We are talking about an animal that cant shoot back or call in a airstrike and DESERVES to be taken cleanly and efficiantly without the chance of running off for 2 miles leaving no bloodtrail, because some MORON took a RUNNING shot at 350 yards, and died going unrecovered. The topic here is ABILITY and staying WITHIN yours.

A poor hit ok? A bad or poor hit is never OK from police or miltary snipers. A bad hit gets a hostage killed, a bad hit let a sucide bomber run into barracks and blow people up. My point was that being a police or miltary sniper is hunting the most dangerous game. I'm aware what the topic is and was sheding some light from the eyes of a police sniper.

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