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I was just reading on another thred where a guy blew a shot on an animal at under 100yds. He mentioned that they'd stopped at a store where he could have bought a bi-pod on the way out and he didn't do it.

The shot he took was off hand, the unsteadiest of positions. But it makes me think, how many shooters are subsistuting different aides for learning shooting position's?

In the case above, in order to have used the bi-pod would have required the shooter to get into either a prone position or a sitting/kneeling position. Would it not be better to learn to shoot properly from field positions? I wonder just how many people actually forgo that just because the shooting aides are believed to make up for them?

I recall last fall I was out with my son shooting and there were a bunch of other people down away from us shooting. As I watched, several were shooting what I'm sure they thought was kneeling. All right hand shooter's shooting with their left knee on the ground and bracing their right elbow on their right knee. They had clay pigeons set up about 100yds off and were not very good. But they did shoot up a lot of ammo. This could be a good example of doing a lot of practice and learning nothing also.

Weather you practice from field positions or not, how many of us have really learned how to use them to their best advantage? One of the things I remember from the military was that even tho the bulk of the shooerts were not to hot, all were given good instruction on position's.

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I don't see where bi-pods are that useful on game under 200 yds. They are not going to stay in place while you set up and not move after you are set up. On a stalk I like to use the trunk of a tree to steady the rifle on and at times that is even too long for the shot. Many hunters mistake BR shooting positions with hunting situation positions and they are nothing a like unless the shot is distant.

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well i have a harris bipod and i swear by it. now keep in mind that i only use it when i'm hunting over bait for coyotes or say sitting on a hydroline for deer. i never have it on the gun if i'm walking or in heavy woods. its only used for sitting. i have it all ready to go for when the animal comes out. but you guys are right there useless when walking and stalking Thumbs up

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I used a Harris bipod to take a pronghorn antelope this fall. Stalked in to I got into position, put down the bipod and shot the antelope. Worked well for me.

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Don your observations are bang on. I find most hunters I deal with every year are lost without the 'bench'. They do not practice field positions and seem incapable of quickly assessing where thye are and locating a suitable makeshift rest.

They go to the range, shoot a few targets from the bench and figure they are good to go................ah, maybe I should say some of them do that, because I see guys show up for a hunt that haven't even bothered to do that.

As mentioned a tree makes a good rest, a rock with your day pack over it, a hump of ground........there is usually something you can quickly use to steady your shot.

That aside I believe that hunters should at least spend enough time practicing so that they can hit a pie plate at a hundred yards consistantly from off-hand. Most hunters can't......and your rightmost hunters do not even know a proper sitting or kneeling position.

I too have a Harris bipod and they can be might handy to have out in the flats antelope hunting. One of the few places that you might have trouble finding a rest without moving too much and giving away your position.

Shooting sticks seem to be the rage these days and most of the time they are just one more gadget to get in the way and end up not being used.

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ya i'm not a big fan of sticks either. and to anyone thats thinking about getting a bipod make sure you get a HARRIS. theres some out there that look the same but there not near the quality. spent the little bit extra, you wont be disappointed Thumbs up

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Don't missunderstand where I'm coming from you guy's. I think the aides are good but I'm seeing to many people that don't have much knowledge in the basics of shooting. Rest of some kind? Yes, always! But with to many, you take away their bi-pod or stix and they are lost.

This new shooting game we've been exposed to by Zak Smith has got me thinking I will get a bi-pod, for that game. When I coyote hunt, I take along my stix, when I remember them. But I seldom shoot unsupported either.

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I belive that most hunters confuse zeroing or checking a rifles zero with hunting marksmanship. Benches are great for checking the zero and/or accuarcy potentials for your guns. Once that's been established it time to get off the bench and practice field conditions. I love shooting tiny groups as the next person but there are few bechrests in the field (yes, there are exceptions). It seems in this day everyone wants to kill an aminal at 400 + yards. The question is are you capapble of doing that under field conditons. I have seen some outstanding marksman in the field and seen others bobble, fumble and fiddle around trying to find a rest, deploying by-pods or setting up shooting sticks while the game got away. I have used sticks and by-pods several time with suscess when time permits. When it doesn't it's time to wrap up in the sling, take a deep breath, squeeze the trigger and follow thru. I also belive the art of properly using a sling is slipping away to " a sling is only good for carrying your rifle". Best of luck to all and make that shot count! Big smile

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I was making fun of a guy I know who took 4 shots to kill a deer. I told him it only took me 1 shot to kill a goat at 300 yards becaused I practiced alot. He responded, that he didn't have time to practice and hunt, so he combined the two. That's why he shot four times.

I am sure the guys at the range look at me a little funny when I am shooting on the ground from various positions while they spend all their time at the bench but like you said you need to practice like you hunt.

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remington,

Have you tried to find a good shooting sling? Not many around central Ore. Only things I can find are those made for carrying slings. I still have a couple good leather shooting slings, milirary type, but nobody wants them any more. I get desperate enough and I'm gonna find the leather to make my own.

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Don Fischer wrote:
remington,

Have you tried to find a good shooting sling? Not many around central Ore. Only things I can find are those made for carrying slings. I still have a couple good leather shooting slings, milirary type, but nobody wants them any more. I get desperate enough and I'm gonna find the leather to make my own.

You hit the nail on the head. There are not many slings marketed as shooting slings. They are built for comfort now, but on the other side of the coin, are many of those "cheap" plastic stocks able to withstand a shooting sling properly used. I think they would torque and affect the POI IMHO. Think

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