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Shockwave Kill Results?

 

So two years ago and the year before I had essentially identical shots on does. Both quartering slightly towards (right shoulder closest to me), 40 yards, out of a treestand (even the same tree). Anyways, both shots were straight through the front shoulder and into heart and lungs. For all intents and purposes, perfect shots. The only difference is the shot two years ago must have ricocheted off a bone or something because it ended up destroying about every organ in her body and came out darn near her rear hip. 

Long story short, neither had a blood trail for the first thirty yards or so and then started to bleed profusely. I mean an absolute bloodbath. I just had to casually walk along because I could see blood everywhere and figured I'd see a piled up doe five yards in front of me. Both blood trails ended up being over 250 yards long and ended up with dead does.

Also, last year I shot a doe at 30 yards broadside and saw it run away into the thick stuff.  I gave it about 20 minutes and went towards the direction it ran off.  When I came up to it, I was amazed that it was still moving around.  It couldn't get up, but it could lift it's head.  It died a short time later, but it was a double lung hit just behind the shoulders and a complete pass-through.   

My question is what the heck is wrong with these bullets and has anyone else had similar problems with the Shockwave 200 grain load? I've shot 20-25 other deer with rifles and shotguns and when I hit one in the wheel house they never go this far, not even close. Maybe it's just me, but I fully expect to see these deer dropping within 100 yards or at least being able to hear them drop and thrash around. I understand deer are extremely tough animals, but the only times I've had this happen is with this specific load so it's making me wonder.

I'm looking to change loads and looking for recommendations. I want a saboted bullet and would like to consider something for longer range shooting, 150 yards plus. Any help is appreciated.

 

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Shock Waves

Maybe I missed it, but what caliber M/L are you using? I, for now, continue to use Powerbelts in my .50 cal (295gr) over two 50gr 777 pellets. This combination has worked well, giving me good hits/kills on 3 big bucks and a doe that dressed at 148 (they wanted to weigh HER at the butcher shop... Gee, they rarely mention weighing any of my bucks...lol). The Powerbelts have given me full penetration, but to the deer, they have stopped under offside skin. None went more than 50 yds and two (both big 8 pnts) dropped to the shot. 

I am, however, literally down to one or two more, with a week of Kentucky M/L left. That should work fine for the one doe I'll take, but if not it'll be 250gr Shock waves next to bat.

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Sorry, forgot to mention

Sorry, forgot to mention that.  I am shooting a .50 cal Thompson Center Omega.  I was thinking about switching to the Barnes MZ and also switching to a 250 or 300 grain.  I am no expert in ballistics, but I read somewhere that sometimes these heavier loads will shoot more accurately at longer distances which is something that I want to capitalize on with my muzzleloader.

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I also shoot a TC Omega with

I also shoot a TC Omega with shockwaves.  They are extremely accurate at the range on paper but I am debating how well they work on whitetails.  I have shot a few deer with these bullets and they seem to zip right through them.  There is very little blood trail within the first 30 yards as you mentioned.  They will ultimately kill, but they seem to run quite a ways after the shot.

I am thinking maybe they don't expand enough to give it the knockdown power we are looking for.  Perhaps they are too high a velocity? Probably good for larger game such as elk where penetration is needed

I have a friend who swears by a large maxi-hunter(350 grains) at slower velocities.  He said its like getting hit with a softball at 1500fps.  It seemd to work.

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Just a FYI for those of you

Just a FYI for those of you that hunt the muzzle loader hunts in Colorado the shock wave bullet is a saboted round and is illegal here in Colorado during the muzzle loader hunts.

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Scopes are also illegal in

Scopes are also illegal in Colorado for muzzleloaders.  I need to take my Nikon off of my muzzleloader and sswitch to powerbelts or something similar. 

Lighted arrow nocks are also illegal in Colorado. I almost bought a dozen and the guy at the store informed me they were illegal here.

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