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Shame on United States Outfitters in Aragon, NM

I gotta hand it to the men and women of USO in Aragon, New Mexico. Hey USO, thanks for sending out your goons to scare the elk, thanks for having your folks run their ATV's thru the elk areas and spooking them. You guys are amazing, soon enough the NMG&F or Feds will catch up with you doing your crappy deeds out there in the Gila.

Folks, please stay away from these guys, they send their cronies out to spook the elk, if they see you on a herd or bull, they'll intentionally run their ATV's thru the area, drive thier deisel trucks up and down the area, slam the doors open & shut and even blow the horn. These guys are a bunch of jerks, there are way better outfitters available and those guys are honest. Rememeber its the place on NM Highway 12 east of Apache Creek, they have the bull elk statue in the front on the property. 

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wow that kind of behavior

wow that kind of behavior suprises me. are you sure it was the USO?

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These incidents seem to be

These incidents seem to be happening more and more often.  The Spider bull in Utah had some controversy to this effect, some guys I know ran into some guides blocking roads in Maine for moose season, and now this. It seems like every season someone is having a bad encounter like this......

Sorry it had to happen to you.  Did you complain to anyone?

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USO Outfitters

Possitively USO, we followed the trucks back to the USO outfitter office of oh highway 12 west of Apache Creek, I spoke with a NM Game and Fish officer and also let the Federal Wildlife agents know. It's pretty obvious when you see riders on ATV's with no camo, no weapons that are hualing tail thru prime Elk habitat and herds, and having complete disregard for hunters. I spoke to some folks down in Reserve, they seem to know the USO practice all to well. If USO is resorting to these type of practices, maybe they should find better guides to employ or perhaps buy their own chunk of land and run canned hunts.

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Is USO a outfitter? I thing I

Is USO a outfitter? I thing I remember seeing a Realtree elk hunting video that used them for almost the whole video. That is absolutely rediculous and like Vermonster said, this reminds me of the Spider Bull crap. It is pretty sad that people will go to these lengths just to sabotage other hunters. We need to be standing up for each other against our true enemies, the anti hunters rather than trying to keep each other from hunting areas that we should be able to anyways. This kind of harkens back to the conflict between free range cattle men and ranchers once they started putting up fences. If any of you have seen the movie Open Range than I think you might get my point. Public land is our land and if people try to mess with that than they should realize that they are in for a fight. Other advice for low lifes like this... don't mess with a man's horse, dog or mother.

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USO -Bad Operators

There is only one thing important to United States Outfitters & that's MONEY!  These are the guys that several years ago filed suit against the State of Arizona demanding more of a share of the available tag pie so they could sell more expensive guided hunts to the ones that could afford their services.  They couldn't care less about hunting opportunities for resident hunters or non-resident DIY hunters.

That they would try to monopolize hunting areas & interfere with other hunters not able or inclined to use their services does not surprize me in the least.  I can garantee that if & when I decide to hire an outfitter for hunting in the southwest, USO will not be anywhere on the list of possible choices. 

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I know of a canyon in Utah

I know of a canyon in Utah that is surrounded by property that is leased by the US Outfitters.  On and around that canyon you will find signs that say to the effect USO huntrs stay out/No Tresspassing to USO hunter.  Guess where the deer and elk run to after the first shot.  Right into that canyon.  The owner has  won more than one court case against USO and their guides tresspassing onto his property and the nice thing is that all you need to do is ask the owner if you can hunt it and he will gladly say yes as long as you do not have a USO sticker in your window. 

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It sounds like your buddy has

It sounds like your buddy has got a pretty darn sweet deal. I bet he really stuck it to those guys after they tresspassed onto his land. Just imagine how ruthlessly they would go after anyone that hunted on their property. It is good to hear that they had the tables turned on them. I had no idea that these guys were such jerks. It is sad to see the rise of all these sketchy outfitting services. They in no way help our image as hunters. They only make us look like money and antler hungry a-holes. I wonder why realtree did all those hunts with them. But actually I am sure it had to do with money for sure.

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This is the first that I

This is the first that I heard of this, but not the first bad story about outfitters interacting with other hunters especially on public land.  I would like to say I don't understand it, but I do.  It is the almight dollar that drives people to abandon morals, common sense and respect for others.  It isn't just in hunting but in everything else.  I think it hits us hard here not just because we are hunters, but I think we hold ourselves and other hunters to a higher standards than the average citizen. 

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Really, when my truck broke

Really, when my truck broke down last year one of them uso boys stopped and actually was the only people to stop and help me out, they actually were able to help me out with my truck, and seemed pretty nice, the also gave me info on some hunting spots for my unit, I asked them joking around bout supposedly being mean and they just laughed and said yeh we get that alot but wouldn't say anything negative, and as far as prices go after checking them out, ain't much difference between them and all the other outfitters down there. Now I ain't bragging on them, but after them being the only boys to stop and help out, while 7 other vehicles passed on by without stopping, and them telling me to stop by anytime for anything, I think its just other people and other outfitters being jealous, and if it was one person you can't blame the whole group for it.

 

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Great Post

elkwhisperer wrote:

Really, when my truck broke down last year one of them uso boys stopped and actually was the only people to stop and help me out, they actually were able to help me out with my truck, and seemed pretty nice, the also gave me info on some hunting spots for my unit, I asked them joking around bout supposedly being mean and they just laughed and said yeh we get that alot but wouldn't say anything negative, and as far as prices go after checking them out, ain't much difference between them and all the other outfitters down there. Now I ain't bragging on them, but after them being the only boys to stop and help out, while 7 other vehicles passed on by without stopping, and them telling me to stop by anytime for anything, I think its just other people and other outfitters being jealous, and if it was one person you can't blame the whole group for it.

 

 

Great post that serves to remind us that there's three sides to every story.

Side A, side B, and then there's the truth.

 

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