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Location: Jefferson City, Mo
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A Serious question

I'm a staunch Democrat, but was raised into a hunting family, also staunch Democrat. How in the world can anyone be against hunting when game goes so well with the veggies and potatoes?
BTW, I really don't believe Kerry would have taken our guns away and he would have handled the Iraq situation a little better. I know I'm going to get blasted for this post, so blast away. No matter what is said, it won't persuade my political views one bit. I can't believe our president is going after Iran now too. Aren't our troops spread a little thin?

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Location: Southeast Washington State
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Well, not much point in debating then.

I reckon Bush has hurt us a little with the Patriot Act and Homeland security junk that snatched away a few of our liberties, but he had to do something I suppose. I wish he would get off this AWB affirmation. He keeps feeding the fire and he may wind up eating his words on it.

Anyways, I wish he'd get us in there and fighting the Iranians pronto. We are losing more troops being police in Iraq than when we first invaded. If we strike quick and hard again, yeah, maybe they might be able to inflict a little more damage than Iraq did during that invasion, like maybe take out a humvee or some such. One thing is for certain, if we don't get them to back down from their nuclear weapon posture, Israel will surely take them on, and we all know Israel has the bomb and Sharon wouldn't wait one second to use it if he felt an attack was imminent. I think that is really what Bush is trying to do is get the Iranians to back down a little. If we really wanted a piece of them, we wouldn't have stopped at Bagdad.

If we do get drawn into another skirmish down there, I sure hope the rest of the middle east is watching and taking notes. We go where we want, when we want, and there's not a country on this planet (or any group of them for that matter) that is going to stop us. It has been a long time since we have stood up for ourselves as a nation, and the smarter ones (like Khadaffi), got the message the first time around.

Don't mess with Texas.

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Location: Colorado
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Re: A Serious question
Unionman36 wrote:
No matter what is said, it won't persuade my political views one bit.

This is known as being "dogmatic." And, if you're not willing to consider the answer, then it can't really be a serious question, can it? So maybe the subject line, to be more truthful, should be "I'm going to state my political beliefs, but I'm not interested in yours."

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A Serious question

Come on Unionman36, let it go, Bush Won....

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Location: Florida,USA
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That, Quicksilver, is scary................and to think of the possibilities if just a few more thousand voters had went the other way or stayed home.

frightful !!!!

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Definitely not a serious question. Serious questions imply that the questioner will actually listen to the answer.

Don't think Kerry would've gone after the guns? Check the Congressional Record. Believing that he's gun-friendly because of a photo op is like going to dinner with Jeffrey Dahmer because you saw him buy a vegetarian meal at the supermarket.

Iraq situation? Kerry never said what he'd do -- just said he'd do it better. Y'all got hoodwinked by a bunch of flashy rhetoric designed to hide an empty platform.

Millions of people in history have died at the hands of despots because they refused to believe what was right in front of them. Denial is a very warm, comfortable blanket to wrap yourself in to put off dealing with the harsh realities of winter.

I agree with Quicksilver. Get over it.

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Location: Missouri/Arkansas
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Ok, I passionately hate George W. Bush, but I do have to admit, he had a moment of ingenuity when he stated publicly that Kerry would tell us anything he could in order to get elected.

At least with Bush we know what we're getting. Kerry was a professional basket-case, IMO.

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Location: michigan
Joined: 02/19/2005
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I am an "old" Democrat :

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I consider myself to be a Democrat and;

1)I believe AIDS is spread by iv drug users,homosexuals,and any unprotected sex.

2)I believe educators should stick to the curriculum approved by local elected school boards as long as such is within state and federal laws.

3)I believe in the right to carry concealed weapons for all law abiding U.S. citizens,and the right to purchase said weapons without a waiting period.

4)I believe that there was great art before federal funding.

5)I believe global climate changes are cylical and natural
although i do believe that air pollution can have an effect
on the process.

6)I believe that marriage is only between a man and a women,homosexuals are made,not born.

7)I am for capital punishment,I believe in a womans right to choose also.

8)I believe business creates oppertunity,but it also creates greed and coruption.I believe in some federal and state regulation to protect consumers and workers.

9)I am a hunter,trapper,and fisherman.I know how much people like you and me care for nature and the envirnment.Activists are far left of me,but they do sometimes cause me to stop and ponder for a minute.

10) I believe business and individuals have an obligation to pay taxes as directed by federal and state laws.

11) I believe that in some places and under some conditions unions are necessary.

12)I believe that globalization is/was a bad thing for us(west nile virus,dutch elm disease,mediteranean fruit fly,mad cow disease,asian beetles,emerald ash borer,africanized honey bees,fire ants,avian flu, lower expectations of our standard of living etc..)

13) I believe in freedom of religion and freedom from religion.I also believe in the separation of church and state

These are some of my beliefs and unless something drastic happened I will die with these beliefs. I vote for the individual not the party, I did not vote for president this time as i figured niether canidate deserved my vote,I did vote for whatever was on the ballot.

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Check your party's platform, because I think you may discover that the party disagrees with you on most of those issues. You say you're an "old" Democrat, and that may be the issue. IMO the Democratic party's leadership has ignored the country and taken a hard turn to the left in recent years. They don't seem to be in touch -- after suffering political losses to Republicans in 2002, Democratic leadership ignored reality and reasoned that the answer was to move the party farther to the left. That's the first thing Nancy Pelosi said when she became House Minority Leader. As a result, in 2004 they suffered the worst defeat any party has seen since the Roosevelt years. They're so enamored of their ideology that they refuse to see evidence of a significant sea change and adapt to serve their constituencies.

Whether they've learned their lesson remains to be seen -- Terry McAuliffe's out, but Howard "Yeeehah" Dean is in. The flag is being carried by John Kerry and Ted Kennedy -- the most liberal members of the Senate. There's strong evidence that the Democrats still aren't getting in touch with the center.

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You could say the same things about the republican party. The hard right is taking over, they have said so in so many words. Anyone who is pro-choice, is not welcome. Anyone who believes the environment is at least as important as business is not welcome. Since when does the GOP push for big gov't and poor fiscal responsibility. Since when does the GOP push for the only constitutional ammendment to limit personal freedoms besides prohibition- and we all know how that turned out.

The American people are being bullied by partisan rhetoric not seen in some time. Neither side is right, because neither side wants to hear from those in the center. They both say you're either with us or your against us. I will be watching this next election cycle with interest to see if the Dems can take advantage of the far right pushing away the moderate republicans.

I voted in the last election, and I voted Libertarian for President because both sides of the big parties are moving further away from their base. I think this is a great time for a third party to step in and make the two big parties shape up. The third parties had a pretty good showing in the last election and in 2000, they should (and I'm sure they will) build on that success.

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I guess I haven't seen the far right take charge of the Republicans the way the far left has taken charge of the Democrats. Abortion has always been a watershed issue between the parties.

I don't know what constitutional amendment you're talking about. If you're talking about the Patriot Act, I'll agree there's some dangerous ground there.

But if you're talking about personal liberties, let's talk about the left's assault on the Second Amendment. Let's talk about how political correctness has essentially eliminated free speech rights for anyone that opposes the left.

I recently read an article about polls showing that the vast majority of high school seniors don't have a problem with limits on free speech. The left was mortified; how could this happen? I work with a lot of kids that age -- they've had political correctness jammed down their throats for years. They've been taught to react to politically incorrect views as if they were illegal. So of course they don't have a problem with free speech restrictions. They think they're already in place.

How ironic that the leaders who will try to erode our contitutional rights tomorrow will arise from the best interests of the left today.

I'm not saying the right is spotless. But I'll contend that the left poses more threats to constitutional freedoms than the right.

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