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Seems like there's one a day of late.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gxAP_ul1xtDvN-3H8XQ5Ea...

nutty talk encourages people who already have mental problems.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/05/us/05pittsburgh.html

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Re: Seems like there's one a day of late.
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gxAP_ul1xtDvN-3H8XQ5EaI6_7cAD97BPGE00

nutty talk encourages people who already have mental problems.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/05/us/05pittsburgh.html

That is a terrible tragedy. My prayers go out to their families.

What "nutty talk? Where did you hear that "nutty talk" drove this murderer to do what he did?
If you don't have an answer for those questions then you are the lowest form of life to try and use this tragedy to advance your warped political agenda. Censored

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Yeah, the "seems like there's one a day" argument is standard media spin they start putting out ahead of new anti-gun legislation. They've done it for years to prepare the battlefield for the Dems in Congress, and Congress is wading into the gun control debate now.

The spin on the Pittsburgh story in particular seems to be that the guy was upset because he thought Obama was out to ban guns. So in other words, the spin on this story is intended to silence people arguing against Obama's anti-gun platform. Anyone who tries to oppose him right now sounds like a nutjob that just shot three cops. By extension, groups like the NRA are "hatemongers" that need to tone down their rhetoric because it's causing people to be killed.

We're a nation of 300 million people. Violence occurs every day across the country, and yet it's always convenient how the press suddenly starts paying attention to it and publishing stories that dovetail so neatly with anti-gun offensives in Congress.

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Here's the spin on Pittsburgh -- he was upset about Obama banning guns.

Was that causal? The media's not interested in asking that question. The obvious fallacy here is that everybody has things they're unhappy with and yell at the TV over. Maybe the guy didn't like broccoli, the designated hitter rule, or the way season 3 of "Lost" ended. Maybe he went off because of one of those!

http://kdka.com/local/officers.shot.Stanton.2.975820.html

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Funny how the media will only use a portion of a quote in order to make the statement fit their spin so as to push their agenda farther.
The whole quote was " he bought an AK-47 because he was afraid Obama was going to ban guns".
Also his friend stated "he bought alot of ammunition and stocked it because he feared an economic collapse and the bullets would be worth more than money"
Shold be interesting to see what they come up with next.

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It's the dog's fault. They're reporting now that the whole thing was precipitated by an argument with his mother over a dog urinating in the house.

We need to ban private ownership of dogs so this kind of thing doesn't happen again.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090405/D97CEBS80.html

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Good thing he donned a bullet proof vest and grabbed up the AK to deal with the dog. Too bad about those policemen. Dogs peeing can be problematic. I remember once I had a bird dog that was hard to housebreak, all I could obsess about was an assault weapons ban that din't exist.

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Ah, yes...still burying your head in the sand, I see. One of the things about democracy is that people have an obligation to speak out before legislation is enacted, rather than making sarcastic remarks about there being nothing to worry about.

BTW, you need to get your facts straight -- it was the Vietnamese guy in New York that was wearing the body armor, not the guy in PA. The PA case started as a domestic between him and his mother (over the dog), and she called the cops to help kick him out.

That hasn't stopped the media from making the NY case about guns, though. Apparently the Vietnamese guy was an avid gunman who (gasp!) became a regular at Gander Mountain and (horrors!) went to the gun range regularly.

Obviously, in the eyes of the media and certain politicians, buying guns, hang out in sporting goods stores, and going to the range frequently are warning signs of mental collapse.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04052009/news/nationalnews/failed_life_for_k...

And here's something to think about -- in the New York case, it was 43 minutes from the first call to when the SWAT team entered the building. NY is one of ten non-RTC states. If NY allowed carry permits and people inside had been armed, how do you think this might've ended?

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It has never been stated that he fired the AK at anybody.
The first two officers were shot with a "Long Gun" as they entered the house. I have not heard or seen a report on what weapon was used to kill the Third officer.
It was reported that there were hundreds of rounds exchange between the lunatic and police but doesn't say who shot how many.
I assume that it was believed, or at least alluded too, that the gunman was shooting the AK after he was surrounded by police, but I haven't heard anything that says that the AK was actually fired.

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Here's the letter Wong sent to the media prior to his murder rampage. Read this and tell me if his problem was spending too much time at the gun range and Gander Mountain.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04062009/news/wongletter0406.pdf

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Yada yada yada,

Please, no lectures about facts or whatever, I'm just going by newspaper accounts which list bullet proof vest and AK. Use google maybe.

The guy is very alive and I'm sure we'll be hearing all about this during a long drawn out trial.

Some things are very clear already. He was a typical right wing nutter all het up about "Obama taking his guns away" fema concentration camps, and all the rest of the lunacy that you hear on Fox. BTW why does the right wing always go for Nazi Hitler stuff?

But I'm sure that had nothing at all to do with him shooting police at his front door. We now know it was all about his dog peeing on the floor.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09097/961072-53.stm

Unrelated are the murders that happen every day. Upstate New York, or the guy that offed his wife and kids the next day in the NW.

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