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Scool me- still a newb!

so i have been excitedly planning this hunt trip for 2012 2nd season elk rifle.  my "buddies" are going to draw 501 like they always plan for.  and if they get it, they will stick with it.  the issue i see is it is a draw only GMU, and myself and my father do not have any points.  first hunt for us both.  this is kinda a bad thing, as we both could use a little guidance, especially in the field dressing department.  

 

is there any way to get a chance to draw?  if not, what are our options?  how/where are we able to hunt while having no points?  thanx for any info provided.

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I doubt you can draw that

I doubt you can draw that unit with no points for a bull. How about a cow?

 

btw ....You can get all this info on the DOW web site. It has a ton of info for all your questions. It even has a video on how to dress out an elk.

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For a bull tag you are going

For a bull tag you are going to need at least 1 point to draw a tag for the second rifle season.  You can draw a cow tag with 0 points for that season so if you want to hunt with your buddies put in for the cow tag.  One problem would be that if you wanted to obtain a preference point your odds of a second choice cow tag drop way down, so that is the decision that you will need to make. 

As far as field dressing a bull or a cow it is the same as doing it to a deer, elk are just a lot bigger.  Also you need to leave evidence of sex attached to the meat if you cut it up to pack it out. 

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501 cow tag is a possibility

Using last year's draw data as a guide, you won't be able to draw a bull tag for any of the rifle seasons.  It's a 2 point tag for 1st rifle and a 1 point tag for 2nd through 4th rifle.  However, like still hunter suggested, a cow tag is doable.  Your odds aren't great but last year it was ~47% chance of pulling a cow tag for 2nd through 4th rifle seasons.  Here's the gory details.  317 resident applicants, with 198 resident tags drawn as first choices.  Of the 317 applicants, 91 had 1 point or more.  That leaves 107 draws at 0 points.  There were 226 applicants with 0 points with 107 of those successful.

For both you and your dad, odds are one of you will get a tag (if last year is a good guide).  The bad part (or good part, depending on how you look at it) is whoever doesn't draw their tag will get a preference point to use next year.  Good luck!

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other possibilities

Well, there's always the OTC tag which is good for these units:

http://wildlife.state.co.us/SiteCollectionDocuments/DOW/Education/pdf/HunterEducation/OTCEitherSexElkArchery1.pdf

You'll see that the nearest units would be 37, 38, and 581, all of which are pretty low success units.

Also, if you are trying to stay near your buddies, units 50 and 500 can at least be drawn with 0 points.  So don't waste your first choice by applying to 501.  Unit 50 is a guaranteed draw with a 2nd choice if you want your preference point for next year.  I suspect you would be almost guaranteed to draw 500 with a first choice given the lack of nonresidents applying.

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boy all this is baffling!.  i

boy all this is baffling!.  i looked at the online catalog for a few hours, and i just am not able to decipher it yet.

 

so what im getting from your much appreciated replys is:  we should draw 50, and use 501 as a 2nd choice?

 

or draw 50 as a second?

why not 501 as a first?

it just so happens that my uncles own a ranch on 50.  is a draw tag huntable on private land as well as public?

 

thanx for the help so far!

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yikes!

Sorry, yeah put in for 501 on the off chance of a miracle as your first choice (it's basically impossible, but who knows, maybe no one else will apply or they'll increase the tag numbers or something weird).  You won't draw it, but with your 2nd choice you should draw unit 50.  That tag is good on public or private.

Unless you'd rather hunt 500, then it would be a waste to put in for 501 1st because you can't draw 500 on a 2nd choice.

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thanx exbio!  that is a bit

thanx exbio!  that is a bit easier.  in your opinion, is 500 then 50 a better chance for both of us?

thanx

 

ooh.  are the points breed specific?  can i draw a different animal in the earlier season and use the point for elk second?

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If you want to hunt the ranch

If you want to hunt the ranch you have access to in unit 50, then put that as your first choice, and yes, the PPs are animal specific.

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If your uncle has 160 acres

If your uncle has 160 acres he can get a voucher, and give it to you. You won't have to worry about points, or the draw. You'll be limited to just hunting his property though.

Compared to getting a tag in his unit which would let you hunt the whole unit, plus his property.

Did you read the Elk Huning University on the DOW site? It has a ton of info that will help you. Read the 2010 and 2011 versions.

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So, licenses redeemed via a

So, licenses redeemed via a landowner voucher are not limited to the specific landowner's property that was granted the voucher.  There are Private Land Only licenses that can be obtained through the landowner voucher system.  However, as the name implies, these licenses are valid on all private property (not public property), assuming you can obtain permission to hunt on additional private property.  Inherit with all landowner vouchers is permission to hunt that specific landowner's property.  

As an example, a landowner with 160+ contiguous acres of elk habitat in Unit 501 can apply for any of the elk licenses valid in Unit 501.  The number of vouchers that an individual landowner can apply for in a given unit is dependent on the amount of land they own in that unit (and its habitat suitability for a given species).  Each voucher that they can apply for is treated as an individual application, and they can accumulate preference points per voucher each time that they do not draw their first-choice voucher.  Just as in the public draw, the ability of a landowner to draw specific licenses is dependent on how many landowners apply for which licenses in a given unit (supply and demand).  In some units, so many landowners apply for so few licenses that it takes as many or more preference points for landowners to get certain licenses as it does in the public draw.  

Here is the link for anybody that wants to do more reading about CO Landowner preference.  

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