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It all depends on the weapon and the shooter.  My wife has an easier time shooting a Glock 27 than a Ruger LC9.  I have big hands and personally don't notice handgun recoil much, but she has little hands and for her it's about the way the gun transfers the recoil into her hand.  She has no problem with Glocks in .40, but is less comfortable shooting some 9mms or even .380s.

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Recoil is very subjective and each person will experience if differently.

As to the original topic I think some of the slumbering masses are beginning to awaken. I just hope it isn't too late. I trust no government entity to do the right thing, only that which fosters it's existance.

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ammo and gun shortages

I'm beginning to notice a changing attitude of many younger often liberal minded Americans lately.  I'm actually seening more of an attitude of "what on earth is this administartion really trying to do to our freedoms".

I was watching some roundtable talks among some younger news folk and one older guy on Fox news recently.  The only one in the group who was for all this gun legislation was some older man is his 50's or 60's.  All the rest of the younger people seeemd to be very opposed to his views.  You can tell these youger people (urbanites in their late 20's and early 30's) had likely never grown up around guns or ever fired a weapon in their lives, yet they were beginning to ask some good questions that seemed to oppose this administration views on guns. They seemed to be coming around to the belief that what this administarion is doing is not going to make us safer.  They even began to question things like just how much freedom are we willing to give up for a false security. 

When you see the staggering amount of people who have newly gotten into shooting since Obama first took office, it really shows just how many Americans really are beginning to value their 2nd Amendment Rights and exercise those rights.  I've never seen this many people involved before.  I've never seen so many young profession women buying guns and learning to shoot as I have recently. It sure wasn't like this in Colorado in the 1980's and 1990's I can tell you for sure, and this state was much more middle class and conservative back then. As much as I hate dealing with these ammo shortages I must say that I'm impressed.

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Nothing illustrates the stupidity of gun control like the Boston bombings.  Three dead and 170 maimed in 15 seconds using commonly available household materials, and this administration is caterwauling about background checks.  They have video of one of the Chechens putting the backpack down next to the 8 year-old who was killed...and we're supposed to believe that gun control will prevent mass carnage?

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Like I always have said. 

Too many people want to blame a device or an impliment for a tragic action. Should we now start banning or requiring background checks or registeries to buy/own pressure cookers, nails, ball bearing, etc? I thought it was pretty ironic that yesterday our main (liberal) news paper was advertsing in full page adds Pressure Cookers on sale. Hmmm...how insensitive? 

I've always maintained tha the single most impliment used to obliterate the most people in history wasn't  bomb or a gun.  It was Zyklon-B, a common pesticide, a method of mass murder adopted because the gun was too inefficient for the amount of people these guys wanted to kill.  Just proves it's the sick mind behind the action of the people/person, not the device, that causes this stuff.  Had most of those victims owned or obtained firearms, the holocaust would have turned out very different.  I wonder what all those scared locked-down citizens of Boston must be thinking now.  I bet many are wishing they had something more than a Joe Biden approved double barreled shotgun or single shot firearm for protection. Just remember that man has commenced in major battle on a massive scale with mass casualties for thousands of years before the invention of firearms or even explosives. We can ban and destroy all the guns in the world today and tomorrow some sick whacko hell bent on committing mass carnage will find a way to do it, be it with a chainsaw, axe, hammer, machete, or fire.

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To get more back on subject.  I propose that if the DHS is going to use more ammunition per agent than the DoD does per military member, then maybe the DHS needs to set up it's own munitions manufacturing facility to supply themselves with ammo (a DHS runned arsenal).  Much like the military used to have back in the day. They could set up a federal facility and even have contract bids from the various commercial ammo makers to get the facility set up. Maybe even operated under contract at various times. That way they can staff on a contract system as well.  Because one of the things that most of the ammo companies are reluctant to do right now is to hire more people on and expand operations only to have things to get back to normal again in a couple years and have to lay-off all those extra people and shut down those expanded facility.  This way the DHS federal facility will be operated and staffed and output according to their particular needs. Afterall, we're in a war on terror right?  I don't see this war ending anytime soon, at least not in my lifetime. 

Maybe that would free up the commercial manufacture of ammo, get supply up again so that all these new gun owners and shooters can feel comfortable shooting again rather than worrying that they can't replace the ammo they shoot.

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That is an interesting idea... but it just won't work.  It is far too easy to just spend taxpayer money now without any real watchdog oversight and buy from an existing manufacturer... even if there is already a large surpluss of government ammo inventory.  And it won't happen because it makes sense and when has government done that?!?!  And having the current private manufacturers involved in starting a federal run ammo manufacturer operation takes away from their profit statement and away from them managing/making ammunition that is desired now for the government and public.   I'm getting real close to learning how to manufacture my own ammo. 

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There's a bill that's been proposed that is supposed to elimnate federal, or as I prefer, feral agencies from stockpiling ammo.

By rights the ammo should go to the people first and the government forced to scrounge. We are the rightful rulers of the government, not them over us. "Training" doesn't cut it as an answer for me. I suspect Machiavellian type shenanigans but I am suspicious of government by nature as I value my freedom.

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If only the people of this country felt the same way about money as they do about ammo...stop government hoarding and that limits the supply available for the population.

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Well it's just a thought.  Afterall, the military had manufacturing arsenals for a better part of 2 centuries.   They all produced either ammo or hardware in some form for the DoD as well as doing R&D. Often times these munitions arsenals were operated under contract by some of the major ammo makers.  I don't see why they couldn't do it that way for the DHS to supply their needs.

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