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Location: WI/MT
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same weight 4 3 or two blade why choose one over the other

I have emailed muzzy this question but no response are there any real differences. Wound channel lengths are very close to the same just cut dif. I am not seeing a large difference in flight. So I am curious what people know and think. I know Mr Ted nugent is a very big fan of 2 blades but he never realy says why. Think

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Location: SE Alaska
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same weight 4 3 or two blade why choose one over the other

I have heard that plaining is a bigger problem with two blade heads than with three or four blades. I personally like three blade fixed head broadheads in 125gr.

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Location: Louisiana
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same weight 4 3 or two blade why choose one over the other

I went to MUZZY 4 blade 100's years ago...............perfect arrow flight for me, shoot within 1/4 inch of my field points.

I like them because there are 4 blades cutting veins and arteries generating mor blood loss quicker.

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same weight 4 3 or two blade why choose one over the other

Generally, all things being equal. The fewer the blades the easier the penetration but, lesser the blood trail.
I used 4 blades for many years and for critters that can make you a hot lunch. The faster they bleed. The faster it's done.
On my compounds I now use a variety of chisel tipped, fixed three blade and cut on contact, fixed three blade broadheads. Both have changeable blades of a very sturdy thickness, so I can refresh the blades if needed. Penetration is not a concern with these and they cut a very good wound channel.
On my traditional bows I use two blade, cut on contact. Mainly because, the traditionals don't expend the amount of energy as the compounds do and I will get the necessary penetration.

Mr. Ted is paid well to use Magnus broadheads (2 blade) and Gold Tip arrows and both are very good products.

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same weight 4 3 or two blade why choose one over the other

You would be absolutely amazed at how much better a two blade cut on contact pentrates . Chisel points are great for smashing through bone but sap major energy from your arrow. Want an example? try to push a Muzzy Trocar tip through a piece of leather. Then take a dull steak knife and do the same. What happened? I 'll save you some sweat and possible injury and just tell you, the trocar tip fought you until you gave up more than likely unless you have gorrilla strength. The steak knife however probably needed some force but went on through. Now go get a shaving sharp cut on contact two blade. It will zip right through with very little pressure.

Wound channels are all realative to cutting width. 1 1/4 is an 1 1/4 . But added blades cause added wound channels . However now your pushing the blades through at least half again as much meat . Your losing penetration regardless so you need the energy to compensate for all that extra work your head is doing. easiest cure for that is raw poundage but being extra dilligent about shaving sharp blades will gain you lots of favor..

However as the man has said, more wounding = more bleeding so its not a bad thing to aspire to multiple blade styles by anymeans . In fact most any modern 50 lb compound bow has more than enough KE to blow a trocar tipped sharp four blade muzzy right through a deer sized animal. The benefit the Muzzy lends and several other broadhead manufacturers heads for that fact is if you happen to strike a rib hard the arrow isnt going to deflect off the bone nearly as bad and continue its path into the intended target. For the record I shot Muzzy 100 gr. 3 blade heads for years and have downed 50-60 big game animals with them. They are solid, great cutting, leave excellent blood trails and moreso than any other head I have ever tried, shoot along with your field points. Easy broadhead tuning got to love that. The misery that causes started a whole industry of mechanical heads. Never needed all that garb just buy Muzzy 3 blades.

Now I will say this magnus has the cats meow of both worlds. The magnus stinger is a chisel pointed cut on contact two blade with the option of bleeder blades. This is a wicked sharp out of the package head performs excellent on bone and creates an absolutely devastating wound channel. If I were rigging up someone with a low weight compound this would be my head of choice . They pentrate far better than the muzzy and fly as well in most set ups. Every now and then I have seen a bow that doesnt like em.but I suspect that has to do with tuning issues and arrow choices moreso than the head itself. If that isnt enough they have a lifetime warranty and Magnus honors it without question. Bend or break one and they send you a new one.Been my experience so far that they are nearly indestructable short of the bleeder blades.

As well these things make the transition into modern recurve shafts and bows very very well. I shoot a low weight 45 lb recurve and with these heads I can bury a shaft to the flethcings in a block target at 20 yards. That tells me undisputably that ongame pentration will be more than sufficient likely a passthrough short of very heavy bone contact and I am going to get that all important blood trail to locate my game. Thats exactly what I am looking for. Unfortunately in my first and only big game recurve kill I left my quiver in my buddies truck thaat headed on to northern Florida. I ended up having to buy shafts build arrows and screw on heads the very day I hunted boar and the only heads they had were cheapo eastman cut on contacts. Incredibly they flew excellent, touched up to a wicked sharp edge in a few strokes and ended the life of a South Florida boar right quick like later that day. 3 for ten bucks cant beat that. Im still using the magnus for this year deer season but if your on a tight budget those eastmans worked pretty darn well despite the cheapo bargain basement price.

Bottom line theres alot of blade configurations and tip types to choose from. If your shooting a 60-70 lb modern compound most any of them are going to get it done and flight characteristics out of your particular set up should be concern number 1. With low weight bows cut on contact tips will lend passthrough performance much easier and lead to more game killed cleanly and recovered.

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Location: Star Idaho
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same weight 4 3 or two blade why choose one over the other

personally I like three blades, have nevery tried four blades but after reading these posts, I will try the four blade set up.

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Location: SE Alaska
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same weight 4 3 or two blade why choose one over the other

After reading up a little on these two blade heads I must say I'm intregued. I just might get some and try them out this year. I am always looking for new ways to do things. Any suggestions?

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same weight 4 3 or two blade why choose one over the other

Magnus stinger without the bleeder blades.

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Location: novascotia
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3 or 4 blades

I use Thunder heads 125 gr 3 blade, the blades line up with the fletching and fly perfect .They are ranked the # 1 selling broadhead in North America .That's good enough for me
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same weight 4 3 or two blade why choose one over the other

The Magnus Stinger with or without the bleeder are very impressive, as are the Muzzy Phantom and the Steel Force.

Steel Force also makes a three blade cut on contact, I believe they're called the Viper, that is simply amazing. You cant make them come apart. Great for the carbons and a compound.

For my own preference it's hard to beat any of the Magnus heads. Whether they be two or two with a bleeder or three, cut on contact.

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Location: novascotia
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carbon arrows

I haven't used carbon arrows, one reason being is that they are very expensive and they are too light which puts too much stress on the bow .it's almost like dry fireing the bow .Not for me .Our season here starts on the last weekend of September .I am just starting to get warmed up for that day .If U have seen Dan Fitzgerald's bow hunting videos.He uses the muzzys and says they are great bone crushers .I have great luck with the thunder heads and don't want to mess with something that is working good .How many grains are your arrows ?.I use Easton camo hunter aluminum 2219 and 125 thunder heads the complete arrow weights 600 grains .I think most hunters use 540 grain arrows for hunting

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