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Re: Ruger vs Winchester

A nice glossy finish is fine if you are planning on putting the rifle on a shelf and look at it. I have a friend that bought a nice Weatherby Mark V with a real nice glossy finish on the stock. The first elk hunt we took it on it had so many scratches and nicks in that finish that he sanded it off and it now has a nice oil coat on it.

As far as how smooth or rough the action or bolt rails are, there was a article in a gun mag years ago that told you how to take care of that. All it involved was getting some automotive valve grinding compound and some automotive rubbing compound. You used the valve grinding compound on the rails and slid the bolt in and out, you finished with the rubbing compound. The key was not to close the bolt. The idea of of not closing the bolt is that if you did you would compromise the head space of the rifle. I did this to a Ruger M77 when I first read of how to do it and after a couple of nights the bolt rails were as smooth as any rifle out there. You just have to invest a little time.

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That's the reason I don't care for gloss and high polshed fine finishes on a gun. It's absolutley useless and unnesessary if you ask me. Still I'm a firm believer that a finish, no matter how utilitarian, even if matte, should be consistant and evenly applied to the surface .

However, as far as raceways and action smoothness goes I think it's unacceptable that any new gun these days should leave the factory that rough without that final step being handled by the manufacurer. You rarely saw that roughness in the past and the technology is such today that there is no reason for those final touches to be neglected by the manufacturer. Articles like the one you read Critter have a downside to them being published. The downside is that it gives the makers the legitimate excuse to not have to do those final steps when making a gun. If consumer doesn't start holding the makers to better standards then the makers will think that those final touches are the owners responsibility. I don't mind it on an economy grade rifle, but anything costing me more that $550 these days should have those final touches done before leaving the factory.

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I believe what the article was getting at was that no matter how smooth you think that the action is it can be better with a little bit of work. It is a lot like quite a few of the pistole's that I own. Weather is it a Colt, Smith and Wesson or a cheaper model they all can use a little touch up to become a little bit smoother. A lot of them I bought because I know how easy it is to make them as smooth as ice on glass.
I do know that if you want to pay the money up front to get that glassy smooth action you can but you pay for it. With a little bit of knowledge the average gun buyer can do it themselves and save quite a few bucks.

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True articles like that one do serve for good helpful info. I'm not knocking it. Just saying how the makers can interpret it.

Glocks come from the factory with that copper colored permitex anti-sieze compound on the frame/slide railings. They are the only gun maker I know of that does that on all their guns.

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Re: Ruger vs Winchester

Tough decision, I own both rifles. I like the tang safety on my ruger but my winchester is a well made rifle I couldn't choose between one or the other.

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All "funnin" and nostalga aside they are indeed both fine rifles. It goes to show you though the differences in peoples preferances, I happen to prefer the side Mauser style three position safty of the Winchester. And please do not forget that Winchester is bringing back the DG cartridges available in the 2nd quarter this year 2010, I am jumping on that like a fly on hot elephant dung, only after my last cup of water will I sell this one! Also I enjoy seeing those guys who were asking gold prices for crf bolted model 70's in 375 H&H caliber come done to reality. Sorry guys they were not the last after all. Bless you all.

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