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the right scope?

Hi everybody. I've got my first rifle ordered. A Winchester M70 Supergrade in a .338 win mag. I'm seriously considering fitting it with Leupold's vx6 2-12 w/ LR illum. duplex. But will a matte black scope look allright with the overall appearance of the rifle? I could go with a high gloss vx3 but I'll be loosing quality of optics in comparison.
Oh. The rifle is for SE Alaska. Primarily a moose/bear gun.
Thanks for opinions.

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Nice rifle

You sure have chosen a fine rifle! I am a big fan of the M70, past & present. I did own for a time a Supergrade in '06 and it was a very nice piece. Although I own over 20 Leupolds, I do not have any experience with the VX6 version. I do own two 30mm Euro models and two VX-Rs and I really like them all.

I'd call a 2-12 a very good choice and I have become a big fan of scopes with ill. reticles. However, I'm not so sure I'd opt for the LR ill. reticle. I'm not sure you'll need it with moose & bear on the menu, as I wouldn't think you'd be shooting either at super long range and they are good-sized targets too. I'd opt for the ill. #4 or firedot duplex, myself. The #4 reticle (I have several scopes with that type reticle including one of my VX-Rs) would be about as good as it gets for close-in shots and I do not find it a hindrance at all at longer ranges.

I have a Nikon with #4 reticle on a .35 Whelen and can shoot sub MOA at 100 yards with it's max of 4X in that African series 1-4 scope. There is little doubt that the VX6 will be a fine scope for that rifle and I wish you good luck with whichever reticle you go with!

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I do like the simplier

I do like the simplier crosshairs of the #4 recticle. I guess I just thought that the holdover hatch marks would help me with my inexperience in shooting.
So what kind of hunting would the LR duplex be practicle
in. I thought about getting the non-illuminated Boon & Crockett recticle, and Leupold has the illuminated B&C recticle in the 3-18, but I really would like to stay under a 3x. and 18x just wouldn't be useful in the terrain I plan to hunt in.
(DUMB QUESTION) If you don't have any holdover marks in the recticle how do you know where to put the crosshairs on shots at 2, 3, 400 yrds? Is there more to it than "just aim a little higher on the vitals" when one is faced with a long shot? How would you know? sigh.
This is my first rifle, & first scope, and like everyone else, I work tremendously hard for the money I am blessed to earn. So I put alot of thought into how it's spent.
I'm trying not to put so much thought in little details.

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Many of the new leupolds

Many of the new leupolds including the one your looking at are available with the CDS system. The dial is marked for your exact load and simply turn it for the desired range if planning to shoot that far.

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keep it simple

PapaSzakal wrote:
I do like the simplier crosshairs of the #4 recticle. I guess I just thought that the holdover hatch marks would help me with my inexperience in shooting. So what kind of hunting would the LR duplex be practicle in. I thought about getting the non-illuminated Boon & Crockett recticle, and Leupold has the illuminated B&C recticle in the 3-18, but I really would like to stay under a 3x. and 18x just wouldn't be useful in the terrain I plan to hunt in. (DUMB QUESTION) If you don't have any holdover marks in the recticle how do you know where to put the crosshairs on shots at 2, 3, 400 yrds? Is there more to it than "just aim a little higher on the vitals" when one is faced with a long shot? How would you know? sigh. This is my first rifle, & first scope, and like everyone else, I work tremendously hard for the money I am blessed to earn. So I put alot of thought into how it's spent. I'm trying not to put so much thought in little details.
For my tastes, I would want the simplicity of an uncluttered reticle for the type hunting you have described. Figuring a typical 225gr load in your chosen cartridge, the fine .338WM, you should easily have a 275 yard MPBR (max point blank range) where you have no worries as to holding high or low. Figuring a 4" rise/drop would get you to a MPBR of 300 yards. 300 yards is a long poke, even for a very experienced hunter/shooter. If shots at over that distance are needed(?) then simply knowing the drop at 350 & 400 yards and then figuring that drop when aiming at extreme ranges will work. I have a very good hunting Buddy that purchased a scope with BDC type reticle for hunting here in Tn & Ky where ranges normally do not exceded 150-200 yards, easily within the MPBR of that.270. He saw a whopper of a Ky buck on opening morning a few years back and then promptly shot high, over it, when he mistakenly used the wrong dot in the reticle. The scope was dead on, he simply had a brain fart at a very inappropriate time. There's something to be said for keeping things as simple as possible and I've always felt using a "standard" crosshair and using a proper sight-in for MPBR is the simplest method to use in most hunting situations.

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Your problem is going to be

Your problem is going to be that once you spot the animal that you plan to shoot then use a range finder to get the range, then set the scope up for the shot the animal is going to be in the next county.

For a beginner start with a plane scope that you don't have to fiddle around with before you take a shot and learn how to shoot with it and you will be a lot better shot with it.

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decided !

simple is good. the # 4 illum. it's going to be. I prefer it that way. And a 300 yrd shot would be right at were I want to be confident at. Will I practice taking longer shots? Sure, why not. Will it be at a animal? Not for a long time.

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leupold vx 6

I purchased the Leupold VX 6 2-12x42 w/ #4 illum. recticle.  I'm picking it up Saturday.  Can't wait.

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Excellent scope and I'm sure

Excellent scope and I'm sure you'll be happy with it.

Like I mentioned before I think you can get a cust dial for it. You can still zero for 200 if you like and know your drop but if time allows you can simply turn the dial to the range your shooting. It's matched excatly to the velocity and bullet you decide to settle on.

As an example this last week I killed an aoudad in south Texas. My son ranged it for me as I found it in the scope. It took only seconds to turn the dial to the 520 yards he ranged it and was able to make the shot holding dead on with a little hold to the side for wind drift.

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how cool is that!!!

Must be awsome to go hunting with your son. That's something I don't think me and my dad will ever do. Maybe one day if I can persuade him. But he's definatly not into hunting. Do you have a Leupold scope too? I had to look up what a aoudad was. It's a neat looking animal. My father in law lives in Galveston, TX. Which is probally a long way from where those things live. But when I take my wife to see her dad, I could plan a hunt while I'm there.

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