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Ok see what you guys think.....I am a 17 year old left hand shooter and having trouble finding a rifle of comfort.....I have been shooting a right handed Winchester M70 in .270 WSM and have liked it for the most part but really do need a left handed gun.....I Found a Left handed Ruger M77 in .300 Win mag....and beings I do a bit of hunting for Deer bear and elk....and the mythical moose tag I keep drawing for to come in the future....it seems like the gun....I dont have any plans on going to Africa or any other dangerous game any time soon....so I was wondering what you guys think??

Brand New

Ruger M77

300 Win Mag

24" blued barrel & action

Leupold Mounts and Bases

Leupold VX II 4-12-40 Adj OBJ

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Sweet setup but I'm not sure if you need all that power for what you are hunting. I have hunted all that you have mentioned except for Elk and have had no problems killing any of them with a 30-06. Bullet placement most of the time is more important. What you have right now will kill anything you have mentioned.

Now having said that if deep down you just feel the need to buy another rifle and you have your heart set on the 300 Win Mag then go for it. The one thing for sure is if you hit what your hunting for with either the 270 or 300 the animal will not be able to tell the difference. lol

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If this is to be a big game rifle, it'll work but there's some better options.

First off as Sageboy said, you really don't need all that power. If you just want it fine. The 30-06 would work great and probally better with standard cup and core bullet's, velocity no as apt to tear up the bullet's at close range. Where by the way, you'll probally get most of your shooting, 200 yds and under. Less recoil and easier to find, cheaper ammo. You don't reload, right?

The scope is a good scope but on a hunting rifle you'll seldom have time to fool with the adj objective. I'd recommend a 2-7x but if you just feel the need for more, a 3x9 will certainly do.

Nothing wrong with the rifle but there are others that make left hand rifles also. Both Remington and Savage make left hand models, probally others also.

In the end, with what you have there, you'll learn to hate that scope and the rest would do.

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Thanks for the info guys......I do belive you are both correct other then the yardage refered to as 200 or less.....(other then this year) all of my shots have been over 175 yds.....Last year I got a 4X5 white tail buck at 350 yds.....I do agree with a 270 or 300 that the anamial wont know the differance. I will have to look up Remingtons site and see what they have to offer on Lefty Rifles....but as for savage as a personal preferance no thanks...in my own personal opinion Savage firearms are nothing more then a trigger....no offense to anybody who owns them....and no Don I dont reload have some equitment to but dont.....I also have a Question for you Don...you claim th 2-7X???.......could you give me some reasons why??? and doyou yourself own one?

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get the 300 magnum man. i bought a 300 wsm browning stainless stalker last fall and absolutley love it! i too had a 270,a remington 7600 pump.great gun and hated to part with it but i didnt have the extra bucks at the time to keep it. anyways its all personal preference so its up to you. i myself am not a meat hunter, i hunt for the trophy (except for moose i like that meat) so if i blow half the deers front shoulder off o' well. good luck with whatever you choose Thumbs up

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Hello ridgerunner. I've been reloading for a long time. I have a very good friend that got me into it. From what I've tested, owning both a 300win mag and 30-06 and 270, you can't really beat the 06. Like savage said, it really don't matter that much what your shooting as long as you put it in the right spot. I know you'll hear fellers on here talk about balistics and such, but if you take say the 06 and shoot it enough to know the droppage of each shot at diff distances then you'll be fine. B/c you'll be able to place that bullet where you want it. I know I'm skipping over a lot of things here that are important, but I feel just skimming the surface will be suffice. By the way, my good friend here in alabama took a nice doe at 325yds with one shot with a Browning 270 A-bolt. She never ran. She dropped in her tracts and never knew what hit her. Therefore, the correct placment of the bullet is the key not the cal. (in some cases that is considering the animal your taking and distance0. I shoot a 30-06 for no particular reason other than I feel its a "general purpose" firearm. You can hunt basically whatever you want. Its sort of the medium in riles. The 300 win mag is an awsome rifle if you have the shoulder for it. I can shoot about half a box then I have to put it down for awhile b/c I start to shake badly from all that recoil. Now, my 06, its nothing to shoot a whole box and walk away smilin'. So therefore, its a matter of taste in make and cal + type of animal takin' + distances normaly taking animals at + how much shoulder you got + can't forget money = type of gun you'll have or want. I know I'm off the subject just a bit, but I hope in this mess I wrote you can better decide what you'll want/need. Just remember it aint' all about the GUN, its about the hunter and the animal being harvested. you want a clean kill. You want to be able to pack you gun, equp, animal and yourself out of the woods so pick a light rifle, easy to carry and learn to shoot hole for hole. Thats about all I can tell you at this time. Like I said earlier, I hope you can get somthing out of this mess I wrote LOL. Take care and good hunting.

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awsome post reloader...thank you a bunch...you have put in the perspective of weather or not hunting is actually hunting for me.....Hunting is something that is supposed to be loved....and deeply cared for....not only as a hunter but for the game that person is after.....you also made the statement if I had the shoulder...at 6' 3" and 210 pounds I think I got the shoulder..... Thumbs up More matter then mind really....lol thanks for the post

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No problem. I'm glad I could help ya out there ridgerunner.

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No I don't own a 2-7x. My hunting rifles generally have lower power scopes on them. Right now my 30-06 has a 2 3/4x and my 6.5x55 a 1-4x. My 6.5x06 has a 3-9x because I had it around when the rifle was built. My old 308, that my son now has wears a 2 3/4. My 25-06 and my 243 both have 3-9x scopes.

What I have noticed over the years is that I always carry the rifles with variables on the lowest power. If an animal gets up close you don't have to worry about finding it in the scope. Then early and late and peroids of low light the low powers really gather light. I have also found that I can shoot at large targets at fairly long range with no problem at low power.

When sighting in I generally always use 6x. I do that because at 9x you really start to see small movements a lot. As a matter of fact I keep my 243 on 6x all the time, it's my coyote rifle. If I could find a good fixed 6x scope I would put it on the 243. My 6.5x06 is also sighted in at 6x and I shoot it to 400yds on that power. it'll hold an average of just under 4" groups there.

The difference between the 3-9x and the 2-7x is one of size. The 2-7x is about the size of the old 4x scopes. They ride lower on the rifle and the rifle handles somewhat bettter with them. Not as well as with my 1-4x or my 2 3/4x but better. It will ride lower to the rifle and not so cumbersome. So, with the 2-7x you will have a scope that will better balance your rifle to some degree becausr of it's size, will weight a bit less, have a lower end of magnification that collects more light in low light conditions and sufficient magnification to shoot well beyond your capabilities, whatever they may be.

This is a hunting rifle. It's a model 70 featherweight in 6.5x55 w/ 22" barrel and a 1-4x Redfield. With a 140gr bullet it's max point blank range at an 8" target is right at 300 yds. The 300 win mag won't do much better! This rifle will get under 3" at 300yds if I do my part, even with the 1-4x scope.

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i shoot half a box out of my 300 wsm and yes i have to put it down also. and i'm 6ft2 265lbs. but how many times are you gonna shoot half a box at an animal and we all know the adrenilan will be pumpin and you dont feel a thing anyways. these calibers werent and arent intended for the range as we all know. once you get it sighted in its just a matter of testing it every yr to make sure its still zero. i'll grab the lil 250 in the cabinet if i wanna shoot a few boxes for fun lol

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This young man is talking about one rifle. If he leaves it in the cabnit, what will he grab? He's also 17yrs old, how much money do you think he makes to buy other rifles to practice with or even expensive ammo for the 300 mag? At this point in his life, he's better off with something else. Something more user friendly and cheaper to shoot. What ever he get's will be up to him. I remember, just barely, when I was 17, ammo didn't come cheap and I really liked to shoot!

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