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shotgundoe,

A well shot animal, especially a deer, don't need a lot of tracking. Concentrate more on what bullet your using and learn to use the bullet you have. I knew a guy years ago in Montana that was certain that a 7mm Rem Mag with a 175gr bullet was no good for black bears, said he'd shoot them and they would run off. So he sold it and bought a 458 Win mag; still couldn't kill a bear!

The point is that if your not using what you have right, it doesn't matter what you have, and if you are, it still doesn't make a lot of difference what you use.

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If he'd been using 140 or 150 grain bullets in that 7mm Rem Mag, he may have had more luck. Matching the bullet to the game is as important as shot placement.

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Some people beleive just what they want to beleive and nothingin the world can change their mind
A adult told me (with a straight face) that the 7mm mag is too fast "the bullet goes right through and doesn't expand and the wound heals over immeiately"
A few years ago another chap tried to convine me that " A 30.30 is too slow and the deer heard the shot and jumped out of the way"
Tried to explain that the bullet would be travelling three times faster than sound but I may as well been talking to the wall.
Don: Didn't know a 7mm mag wouldn't kill a bear..Maybe the bullet was just to fast Yes Yes

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I've actually heard the one you mentioned about the 7mm Rem Mag being too fast and zipping through the deer. The version I heard was that the 140 grain bullet would zip through, but the heavier and slower 175 would be better. This individual had never hunted big game with anything smaller than .30 caliber, magnum or otherwise.

In reality, a 140 grain 7mm bullet will expand quite quickly, and is probably the best choice among 7mm bullets for deer hunting. The 175 will not expand well in a deer, as it is designed for extremely controlled expansion. 175 grain 7mm bullets perform identically to 200 grain .30 caliber bullets, and are better suited for animals 800 lbs or heavier.

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i've heard of and seen deer jump arrow's before but never heard anyone thing that a deer would hear a .30 30 coming and jump it

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shotgundoe wrote:
whats the major differemces between the rem. 7mm ultra mag, the 7mm mag and the 7mm ultra short mag?

Basically cost and power.

Power in descending order (assuming same b.c. and bullet weight):

7mm remington ultra mag (rum)
7mm winchester short mag (wsm)
7mm remington short action ultra mag (sum)
7mm remington mag

This is argueable. Basically the sum and wsm are pretty close. The rum is close to the 7mm STW (yet another 284 caliber).

Cost per shot (factory ammo) in descending order:

7mm remington short action ultra mag (sum)
7mm winchester short mag (wsm)
7mm remington ultra mag (rum)
7mm remington mag

The cost is argueable.

I'd stay away from the 7mm sum, unfortunately this cartridge is dieing. Remington currently is only offering one factory load and I'm not aware of any other major manufacture making factory ammo for the sum. Now if your a reloader, its no problem....

I thought you all hunted with slug guns in 'bama? Thumbs up

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If I were in your position and had the experience I now have and assuming I reloaded or was starting, I'ed get a 280 Rem. Not reloading and no intention of it, I'ed get the 30-06.

I might have suggested the 7mm-08 over the 30-06 but with the 30-06 there's a lot wider range of foctory load's avaliable from all, make that ALL, cartridge manufacture's. To that, you can add that about every jerk-water store on planet earth sell's them. I would not fall down dead if the first photo's sent back from Pluto contain empty 30-06 cases laying on the ground! lol

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I don't know the ratio but the 30.06 surely out numbers them all.
They are a great reloader too. In fact I use 30.06 cases for reloading my 270 because you don't have to trim them and the cases are in no short suppy.

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