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Location: leftern washington
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i just have t reiterate, ive seen more unethical actions by bow hunters, poaching, bad shots taken leaving wounded animals and trespassing. sorry thats just the facts, should i lump you in with these guys bust? i mean you hunt with a bow so you must ( using your own logic) be just like the other guys ive seen partaking in these activity's. just anather bow hunter in the woods, tisk tisk eye roll

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Location: Chambersburg Pa
Joined: 10/21/2008
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I hunt with a bow, muzzleloader, and rifle depending on what season it is. And i love them all There is nothing like pulling the trigger on a legel doe and watching her drop in her tracks it thrills me just as much as pulling back on a nice racked buck. Hunting is about the sport and all three techiques require skill. Killing a doe for meat makes more sense then killing a spike however if killing a spike is legal then there is absolutly nothing wrong with it if you are up tight about then buy your own land and manage it according to what you want. If you can't afford that which most of us can't then hunt an area that has restrictions that meet your criteria. Out west you have your trophy units Apply for them in the east alot of states have some kind of special hunt that might meet your means. Poachers are Poachers who cares what they us they are slime! I am from Pa and my first year hunting i killed a doe and was proud of it my second year i passed up a spike (as a junior hunter) and i regret doing it for i would still have been proud of it. Now i can't shoot at anything unless it has three points on one side this doesn't bother me i will just have to wait for a nicer buck and if i am not happy about it then i would just go to Maryland and shoot a spike or forkhorn either way it is legal. If i was taking a junior out then i would not stop them from shooting a spike or anything legal because i know what a thrill it is. If a guy is not hunting the best property or is having a bad hunt then shooting a doe or small buck will still make his hunt. My Brother in law shot a nice 7 point with a bow at the check station they recorded it as a 3.5 year old buck nothing wrong with a 31/2 year old buck in southcentral pa and yet my sister his wife ragged on him because it wasn't monsterous so now he acts like he is ashamed of it. This 7 point was bigger then both the 8 points he has killed and he killed it with a bow and he is thinking he maybe should have passed on it. Thats stupid. I don't hunt for meat (I'd be starvn if i did) i don't hunt for antlers (they look good i know) i hunt to feel reinvigerated by nature i hunt because i love nature and i respect it. I also hunt to have fun with family and friends. Hunting is in my roots. If i plan a hunt in Kansas then i will wait to shoot until it is a respectable animal i get as much thrill in that as pulling the trigger on a doe pronghorn in wyoming at 200 plus yards they are all fun and Hunters just need to stick together .

P.s I do agree not letting our animals hang off our trucks and suv's for everyone to see. It is not the best image for hunters we don't care but the fence sitters and antis might.

Joined: 11/12/2008
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New to Washington State

I totally agree with you all. Each and every rifle season from memory in West Virginia hunters had deer piled in beds of trucks and on 4-wheelers. Alot of people from other states and especially the Amish would come in and just kill everything in sight. Opening morning sounded like a war zone and was very questionable about even going into the woods, but it was the best time because the ignorant people would scare the Big UNS right to you. Most of the time you were home by 0900. I just moved to Washington state, I am in the Navy and I'm looking to hunt near Snohomish county. Is there anyone familiar with hunting in this area. I am a very avid bow hunter and I'm dying to get into the woods. I've been in stationed in Japan for 3 years so I've had a 3 year hunting drought. Any help would be great

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Location: Right Side WA state
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Bustbigking,

Sad that you so much distain for modern fire arms hunting that you can't even spell it correctly. Rifle, one "f"

First, understand that the anti's hate bow hunters as much as any other hunter. You are killing an animal.
Sure, a few folks might be swayed by seeing a dead animal in the back of a pickup, but that will not be a determining factor in future laws regarding hunting. Ads placed on TV, like when they passed the no baiting, hound hunting referendum for big cats and bear, will sway the undecided.
I will tell you I have witnessed bow hunters transporting game uncovered as well. I live in E WA and on my property, I have seen more wounded game during bow season than I have during Muzzle Loader season. Lack of good judgment is not regulated to one type of hunting. Misjudging game size at a distance is a problem that has become inherent in modern arms hunting. Just because your fire arm will kill at 400 plus yds + does not mean you have the skill or equip to make a good clean kill. Over the years, fire arms have become more efficient at greater ranges. Many new to hunting do not take the time to learn to judge size and distance accurately. But then again, I've heard countless stories by guys who's arrows have sailed over or under a buck as a result of misjudging distance. Wonder how many of those "misses" are the wounded game I see during bow season?

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once again I have another local story to tell you about a rifle hunter. Now this one is worse then all the other's and it just is not right. So one of my old bow hunting friends baught a rifle tag this season because he wanted to hunt the rut. Now this guy has always been a real ethical one shot one kill kind of guy. He hunted the whole rifle season with bow in hand untill the final day came and he had no elk. He decides to take his rifle out on the last day of the season in hopes of getting an elk. Once that rifle got in his hands it was like a ticking time bomb. With emotions running wild and a weapon that will kill at 400 yrds he was ready to take down a bull. Now here is where it get's bad. He spots a nice 6x6 elk at 175yds, at the same time the elk spot's him and starts to head up the ridge. With a led slinger in hand he "RUNS" up the ridge, vary unusuall for a bow hunter to do and spot's the elk again. He post's up fast and get's a shot off. He hit's the elk but a bad shot sends the bull running! After 2 more shot's the elk is still alive and running up the ridge when a second rifle hunter takes a shot and drops the elk. So after 4 shot's and a vary scary death the elk is down. When he told me this story I really did not believe it to the fullest untill I helped him skin the elk at a friends house and noticed all the blood shot meat and holes in the elk. I gave him so much crap for this he felt like an idiot for bringing his rifle on the last day. You have to realize what kind of hunter this guy is and how holding that rifle changed his ethics and made him turn out just like alot of the other guy's you hear about blasting 4 or 5 shot's at an animal. I have hunted with him in the past and seen him pass up a nice 5x5 muley with his bow at 30 yds because he realy did not think he could get a clean shot. Now he is blasting 3 shot's at 150+ yds? Think Just show's you how hunting with a high caliber weapon will change the way you look at hunting and shot distance and shot placment. You might say, he is just a bad shot but realy it's more an issue of bad judgment. After skinning the elk and removing the bloodshot meat we had a tub of over 50lbs of bad meat to throw away. I have never seen this much blood shot with all the elk and deer I have skinned durring archery season. It was upsetting but at the same time I was not suprised at all at the new riffle hunter's story. I guess that's just one more Rifle Hunter In The Woods!

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Location: leftern washington
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you really dont get it bust, and im not suprised a buddy of yours is as clueless as you

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Bustbigking,

I just want to make certain that I'm not misunderstanding you here.
That the bull died a miserable death and the meat was all shot to Hades is the "guns" fault? Think

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Location: Umatilla Rez, Oregon
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$ hit happens, its better than it getting away, dieing and never seeing it again and have no meat at all---which happens to bow hunters alot.

Check this out, I found a full bull carcass as i was packing out meat, sitting under a tree. I found a nice 6x5 rack in which the bull died from an arrow. Another situation this year, A big 4x5 i got this year had a 4inch piece of arrow right on top of of its back strap underneath the skin, it was in a cocoon like structure, i cut it out of the top of backstrap, cut open top, and pealed it open like a banana, and what do you know a piece of an arrow, that was crazy! I put this on my great grandma! I got pics of that rack, and i can take a pic of that piece of arrow.

So! NOBODY IS PERFECT! Not even the greatest bow hunter in the world like you is perfect. I have no idea why your putting down hunters in general, we're all here for the same thing. What you do is your business, what we do is ours, every body is different and we all cant be perfect. And dont ever knock a buddy for his success, congratulate the fella.

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Location: north Idaho, USA
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Hey have any of you guys seen this T V Show on the outdoor channel called "Red Arrow". Its about two guys who hunt with bows all over the US. This program is the worst example of sportsmanship I have ever seen. On a recent episode one of the guys shoots a large bull Elk in CO and hits it high from about 50 yards or so. Needless to say the Bull runs off like they all do when you shoot them with a bow. The guys look at the camera and curse their bad luck, but they never even go and look for a blood trail or make any attempt to track the wounded animal. They don't talk about it, they don't film any attempts to proved the looked, nothing, They just sit in the stand and wait for the next Bull to show up. They know its hit, they got it on film for everyone to see.
Quite by chance (their words on the show) they manage to call the exact same bull in three days later with the arrow sticking out of its back and another arrow brings it down. Only by pure luck do they end up finishing what they started. The examples of unethical behavior on this program are in every installment of the show. Anti's watching this stuff get plenty of reasons to try to shut down hunting.
Oh Yea, I'm pretty sure I read a thread started by B. B. King here about the bad shows on T V didn't I? Weren't you looking for sponsors or something?
Dude, why are we all not on the same page with this issue?
Hunters... good. Bad Hunters.....Not good . Anti's....also not good. Its simple really.
I can't believe this thread got this much action.
I 'm Rogie and I use guns.
Rogie

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