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This land is not my land!
This land is not your land!
This land is Ted's land!
This land was not made for you and me!

Come on now Everybody, sing along (except Ted)!!! 1-2-3!

This land is not my land!
This land is not your land!
This land is Ted's land!
This land was not made for you and me!

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Lots of people know Ted Turner made his money in the media, but folks out west know his favorite industry is mining. That's mine...that's mine...that's mine...

I know what some of you folks are saying about guides, and that's another reason I don't put Ted in that category. If you pay $13K to take a bull elk on Ted's property, I doubt Ted will help you find it or haul it out for you. But frankly, I think he'd get more business if he did. It might be worth $13K to be able to tell Ted Turner to quarter and haul your elk for you. I think I'd pay double that if he'd get Hanoi Jane to do it -- in fact, if that were an option I don't think there's enough elk in New Mexico to accomodate the Vietnam vets that would sign up for that action.

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Who is Hanoi Jane?

So just to stir things up a bit. What's wrong with Ted owning all this land? He earned the money, he bought the land. Should there be limits to the amount of land one person can hold? If so, under what circumstances, should those limits be enforced?

I'm not saying that I agree with Ted or even support him, but his vast land holdings are a product of his success at capitalism.

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Bitmasher, I think you just dated yourself by asking about Hanoi Jane.

Jane Fonda was one of the Vietnam War's most ardent opponents. That in itself isn't bad. However, during the war she made a trip to North Vietnam, where she met with communist officials and military leaders, held press conferences, "interviewed" American POWs, toured alleged bombing sites, and made a series of propaganda broadcasts -- all the while badmouthing our country, castigating our military, calling the president criminal, etc. There's some rather famous pictures out there of Jane Fonda at the controls of a North Vietnamese antiaircraft gun, peering through the gunsight. People who've done this type of thing in other wars (Tokyo Rose, Axis Sally, Taliban John) were prosecuted. But not Jane Fonda. It's been awhile, but I've been in places where stickers of "Hanoi Jane" looking through that gunsight were stuck inside urinals.

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I see. A quick search on google turned up this if you would like to relive some by gone days.

http://www.geocities.com/fateymike/jane.html

Taking this into light, perhaps Ted needs these vast holdings to keep his wife from getting bumped off.

I also now have a better understanding of the resentment of Ted too...

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Upon further thought, I'm really suprised that Jane was not arrested upon returning to the states. In the other 3 cases you highlight (2 of which I needed to research) the person was brought back into the states for trial and all did not go over during war time.

Here is a site claiming to have a recording of Axis Sally:

http://users.rlc.net/catfish/liberatorcrew/11_Axis%20Sally.htm

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To Ted's credit, he did divorce her. To his further credit, he must've had a heck of a pre-nup, 'cause you didn't hear anything about Jane getting half his assets.

But back to the issue, you raise a good point about the fact that there's really not anything we can do about a guy that's wildly successful in business and can afford to buy huge tracts of land. About the only avenue to address it is environmentalists complaining about miles of fences blocking migration paths.

But as I said before -- attempts to grab choice public land puts things into a whole new category. Makes me wonder what voice the public has in the process when proposals are made to trade off public land.

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About the only avenue to address it is environmentalists complaining about miles of fences blocking migration paths.

It will be a sad day when the bickering is left to the enviro's and the ultra-rich.

In bygone years, the tycoons idiot offspring after a few generations blow the loot on lavishily uneventful lives. So have faith, in time Ted's wealth will blow into the dirt from whence it came. Although admittedly it might not be in my lifetime.

Certainly in the short run the government shouldn't be trading land with him.

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Now THAT's a scary thought...the evil spawn of Ted and Jane loose with $5 billion, 1.8 million acres, and no sense of moral direction or responsibility. Thank goodness they married late in life and didn't have children.

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There are Turner children though...

I got a kick out of this:
http://abcnews.go.com/reference/bios/turner.html

Maybe we can all ask Ted to give us a good half million acres or so. Threaten that we are going to start a french revolution if he doesn't comply.

Hey Cob you still around man? We are way off topic! Wink

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