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Western Hunter thanks for

Western Hunter thanks for that information.  It is surprising, but welcomed to learn how it was handled.

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Just to clarify

Well to clarify all I'm saying is that the report didn't seem to have an anti-gun sentiment to it.  That's not to say that the media got it right.  They never do or rarely do.  Myself, not knowing first hand anything about any of the people in the report or the particular circumstances at hand, all I can say is that I'm sure there was lots of misinformation given to the viewers and a lot of info misconstrued by the reporter.  It's amazing what the media can do with cuts and edits, the real story eventaully gets lost or misinterpreted.  To further clarify this theory I watched Remingtons video in response to CNBC to see what they had to say about it.  I'm sure there are lots of things Remington is holding back as well.  I do wonder why Remington never actually responded to or answered any questions posed by CNBC for their report.  Maybe they too worry about the skills of an editor for a news organization.  Facts get twisted or misrepresented and it's the viewer and the consumer who really suffers because of it in the end. 

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I bet the reason they didn't

I bet the reason they didn't answer CNBC's questions is because there was a company lawyer, more than one probably, that was telling them to keep their mouths shut.  Probably told them that whatever you say can and probably will be used against us in future lawsuits so just don't say anything.  Besides profit, the fear of lawsuits often drive how a company reacts to a product.  Doing the right thing sometimes is thwarted by fear of admitting liability and thus subjecting yourself to more lawsuits with heafty judgments against you.

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What bothers me

What bothers me the most is when the media uses so-called experts or so-called industry insiders to report misinformation and gain a false sence of credibility with the viewers.  It's wrong and unethical and the media should be held accountable for this.  Turns out that one of their so-called insiders at Remington never actually worked for their firearms division, but instead for their ammunition division in a different state.  I've watch documentarys before on guns where some so-called firearms experts gave totally wrong or misguided information about certain guns, so much for experts.  You have to take insider and experts information with a grain of salt.  Simply giving someone the caption of Expert on camera doesn't nessesarily make them a real expert on what they are talking about.  As far as industry insiders go I can tell you that knowing what I know about the company I work for, there isn't one person employed with us who knows every detail about every business division of our company.  An Industry Insider can be someone as simple as a kitchen cook or janitor cleaning crew or someone who works in a completely different business division for that same company.  It doesn't nessesarily mean that insider knows anything about what's being talked about.  Stuff like his alone makes me very skepticle of media reports.  I can only imagine just how butchered the original interview with the designer of the model 700 got, and how much truth was edited out of that interview or pieced together to support CNBC's report.  The media isn't concerned with facts or reporting the truth in a fair manner.  I'm only happy with the idea that CNBC didn't put an anti-gun spin on this report.

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WesternHunter, don't hold

WesternHunter, don't hold back, tell us what you really think Big smile

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Western Hunter Wrote: "I

Western Hunter Wrote: "I think by the way the original story was done it would be very difficult for the competitor news organizations to spin it wrong.  CNBC was the one who made this an hour long news report special.  To my amazement they actually did a very good job of not bad mouthing gun ownership, hunting, or sport shooting.  In fact to my surprise they actually went one step further by reinforceing and mensioning the importance of the 2nd amendment.  From what I watched, it appeared to me that the main focus was placed on unethical corporate parctices and putting profits above public safety. The same type of things has been reported before and recently about many other corporations not involved in arms making. 

They seemed to keep the focus of this report on corporate practices, cultures, public safety, and design flaws, hence it was on Remington as a company and on one of their products - the 700.  Nowhere did they even indicate that this should be any reason to ban guns or over regulate the industry.  At least I didn't get the impression they were trying to put an anti-gun spin on things.  I thought it was a well done news documentary.  Keep in mind that CNBC is part of the mainstream media too."

I completely agree with you. When this was first posted I was a little bit nervous that the documentary was going to paint the entire fire arm industry in a bad light. After watching it I found that that wasn't the case. I think they did a pretty good job of staying neutral on gun ownership and like you said, they even mentioned the importance of the 2nd amendment.

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Hawkey, posted, They seemed

Hawkey, posted, They seemed to keep the focus of this report on corporate practices, cultures, public safety, and design flaws, hence it was on Remington as a company and on one of their products - the 700.  Nowhere did they even indicate that this should be any reason to ban guns or over regulate the industry.  At least I didn't get the impression they were trying to put an anti-gun spin on things.  I thought it was a well done news documentary.  Keep in mind that CNBC is part of the mainstream media too."

I completely agree with you. When this was first posted I was a little bit nervous that the documentary was going to paint the entire fire arm industry in a bad light. After watching it I found that that wasn't the case. I think they did a pretty good job of staying neutral on gun ownership and like you said, they even mentioned the importance of the 2nd amendment.

It is really great to read this and I must admit, it is not what I would had expected.  I would have expected that it would be a biased report and a thinly veiled attempt to attack gun ownership.  So, to say the least i am pleasantly surprised.  There is hope in the world.

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I am scratching my head......

I watched the show when aired.  I was very skeptical about the issue (being real) and how things were going to be presented.  I was pleasantly surprised that, to me, it was not an anti gun show, but seemed to address the issues of the model 700, and the corporate mentality and lack of responsibility that got things to this point.  I am a long-time owner and user of model 700 rifles.  I have 3 of them, and many of the people I know have them as well.  I must admit that this issue concerned me when I finished watching the show.   But I am bothered by people poo pooing this by saying it really comes down to good gun safety and watching where your barrel is pointed, and the problem then goes away.  ANY unintended discharge of a firearm dramatically increases the likelihood of someone getting hurt or killed, even if the gun is pointed in a proper direction.  

What concerns me even more, is that within the last 3 weeks, I have witnessed 1 incident where a model 700 fired unintentionally, and was with a second hunter when his gun went off unintentionally.  On a recent elk hunt, I saw my partners gun go off as soon as he closed the bolt after chambering a shell, and a couple days ago my adult nephews gun went off when he took the gun off of safe as he prepared to make a shot. These are both very skilled hunters and have handled guns since they were young boys.  Now before some of you go and say there was some other cause for these to occur (i.e. finger on the trigger), I will tell you that was NOT the case.  I love Remington guns, and certainly love the model 700 rifles, but this is concerning to me.  I have young sons that use my model 700's to hunt with and to shoot on the range, and I am now scratching my head as to what to do now that I have seen what I have seen.  I don't want to sound like Chicken Little, but I don't want to blindly stick my head in the sand and pretend there is nothing wrong either.  This bothers me.

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I am amazed, not by your

I am amazed, not by your story, but by the fact that all these posts about it happening.  I don't doubt any of you, but my amazement is really that I had not heard about this before it being reported on here.  I think the message for all of us is to not only practice gun safety and not point the gun where it cause injury or death, but to really make sure our buddies, especially those shooting remingtons do the same thing.

I have to keep reminding one friend of mine not to point his gun toward me.  He just forgets so I always make sure he is in front of me or that I know where his gun is and position myself so he can't point it toward me.  I guess the good news is that it isn't a remington.

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I have to keep reminding one

I have to keep reminding one friend of mine not to point his gun toward me

That would be a "former" friend for me!  At the least, he would be a former hunting friend.  If you keep warning him,  some day he might be talking about his former hunting friend.  It's that serious to me!

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