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Remington accu tip question.

ya i dont like the ballistic tips either but the accu-bonds work really well man Thumbs up

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Your experience is what I would expect from an accutip. The lack of an exit wound it not necessarily an issue; unless, as many prefer, you want it to help with tracking.

There is nothing wrong with a plasitc tip, it simply improves the BC of the bullet. Whether or not the bullet retains weight or over expands depends more on the bullet construction below the tip. The Nosler Ballistic Tip and Accubond both have plastic tips and externally look identical. Same for the Hornady V-Max and the SST or Interbond. Internally these bullets are very different.

The Ballistic Tip and others of simpler construction help with better expansion at longer ranges (200 yards+) out of slower cartridges. Personally I don't recommend using a BT in any cartridge less than 100 yards on big game or on elk or bigger period. However for medium skinned game at longer distances it can be helpful.

A BT coming out at 3400 fps (muzzle) slamming an elk at 75 yards in the shoulder is bad mojo.

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I remembered I put these pics in my photobucket. Of course I didn't really look at them to see that they were blurry until after I uploaded them. Anyway, this is a 120 grain, 6.5mm accu-tip that broke bone and went through a couple feet of deer. Distance was about seventy yards.

Entrance:

I musta had a setting off on the camera or something.

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If you're not getting an exit and not finding the bullet, then it is coming apart. Maybe its due to the popularity of the .270, but it seems to me that you hear of more problems with a 130 grain .270 than anything else.

Where on the animal would the exit wounds have been? Did you clip a leaf before entry? A bone and a couple feet of grass packed guts is hard on any bullet.

I've never heard such B.S. in my life. I've used 130gr .270 Win on pronghorn, deer, and elk for years with great results. Only mishaps I've had is when I screwed up the shot and missed. My fault, not the cartridges. What you do hear is a lot of article writers in magazines making this silly claim. I get the thinking that there are a whole lot of sportsman magazine article writer who just have never done much hunting before. They sure have learned the art of persuasion and convincing without having much credibility behind their claims. I read so much crap even in Field & Stream and Outdoor Life lately these days. Makes me wonder!!!

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There are generally two thoughts on bullet performance.

1.) Someone who belive that a bullet should make two holes as two holes make blood lose more rapid.

2.) Someone who belive that a bullet should leave one hole as you have now taken advantage of using all the terminal ballistics (energy) into the animal.

Both are arguable both make good points. I've shot the cheap and expensive bullets and personally like Ballistic Tips for anything in the lower 48s.The x-bullets rock as do the good ol Remington cor-loks. Fer me I'll stick with ballistic tips. Yes

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WesternHunter wrote:
urbaneruralite wrote:
If you're not getting an exit and not finding the bullet, then it is coming apart. Maybe its due to the popularity of the .270, but it seems to me that you hear of more problems with a 130 grain .270 than anything else.

Where on the animal would the exit wounds have been? Did you clip a leaf before entry? A bone and a couple feet of grass packed guts is hard on any bullet.

I've never heard such B.S. in my life. I've used 130gr .270 Win on pronghorn, deer, and elk for years with great results. Only mishaps I've had is when I screwed up the shot and missed. My fault, not the cartridges. What you do hear is a lot of article writers in magazines making this silly claim. I get the thinking that there are a whole lot of sportsman magazine article writer who just have never done much hunting before. They sure have learned the art of persuasion and convincing without having much credibility behind their claims. I read so much crap even in Field & Stream and Outdoor Life lately these days. Makes me wonder!!!

I suggest you quit reading so much crap and get out more. Also, that kind of post will only result in dissatisfaction on web forums. That is, unless you like urination competitions. Maybe you do.

Is there an ignore button on this thing?

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Gee, sorry to hurt your feelings there guy. It might be shocking and hurtfull to you, but I DO actually get out and hunt and shoot. That's why I criticize a lot of garbage that's being printed these days. It just perplexes me when I see the garbage that's printed being repeated by too many people.

I'm simply speaking from my own practical hands on experience. As all of my posts here and replies are pulled from my own 25 years of practical experience. My years of hunting, shooting, and reloading may be dwarfed compared to some others here. But I know of what I speak and try not to comment on things unless I know a bit about them. I too have gotten in trouble by commenting on things I know little about. I suppose we all do at some point, but I'll try to learn from it.

Look I obviously struck a nerve with you, but I meant no real insult. I only call B.S. when I see it. And stating that the .270 win has more failures on biggame is pure B.S. I caution you to be careful of repeating such nonsence. Those kinds of blind statements will only bring a pissing war on you.

Hunters can use what ever super ultra magnum cartridge they like for biggame. They can even use whatever super premium bullets are on the market. You can spend as much as you want on all this stuff, but nothing can make up for lack of skill. Fact is that there are a handful of older cartridges and bullets out there that have decades of proven track record for taking any N. American (even African) biggame sucessfully. You simply do not need the latest supposedly greatest premium bullet or cartridge on the market to take these animals.

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Sorry, but I'm not falling for it. You're going to have to listen to your broken record by yourself. neener!

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We really need an ignore list tied to our profiles. Forums more successful than this one have them.

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That ought to be about enough. Your both right and your both wrong. I've never heard about the 270 130gr bullet coning apart but the doesn't mean urbaneruralite hasn't. You guy's are welcome to disagree, just not this way.

It would not surprise me to find that some of the 130 gr plastic tip bullet's are coming apart. I think that whatever benefit those things were suppose to offer is out weighted by that tip being forced back into the center of the core. Kinda like a splitting maul going after fire wood.

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I wasn't trying to insult anyone. Just disagreeing. Not trying to lure this guy into a shouting match or urination war either, as he has claimed. I've tried to explain my point with some maturity. I've been able to admit when I've been wrong on this forum. Can't help it if someone takes so much offense that they lose the ability to debate. Fact is that just because a bullet comes apart does not mean that it has failed. I've seen a few of mine that have come apart too, yet my game animal dropped humanely and I didn't lose the animal. If you can retrieve your game within a reasonable time frame then no matter what the bullet did, it does not mean it failed. I just don't know where hunters get that idea.

Perhaps my reference to "B.S." and the use of "B.S." was inappropriate, but I've still been able to debate when others have called B.S. on me before. Not trying to make him see it my way. People can believe what they want to. Like I've said, my contributuion here is pulled from my own personal experience. Okay enough said on this subject.

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