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Remington accu tip question.

This season I switched to the Rem. accu-tip bullets for my .270. The main reason I switched was because I went to Wyoming on an antelope hunt. Since my gun was sighted in for these bullets, I decided to use them on deer here at home.
Now for my question, I have scored 4 hits on animals, 2 on my antelope and 2 on deer, with only 1 exit wound. While I did not lose any of these animals( both deer fell in their tracks) I am concerned about no exit wounds to help with blood trails. I shotmy antelope at about 275 yards, scoring 2 hits on him both shots were lung hits with one of them also taking in the heart area, but again no exit wound. The first deer I shot was a small buck that I did get an exit wound but the angle of the shot did not include the chest cavity. The second buck was a 175 pound buck at 60 yards. I shot the deer with a downward angle between the shoulder blades but the bullet did not come out. I guess my question is: is this a common occurance with this bullet? I have always preferred an exit wound, I know it isn't always required but I feel more comfortable with getting one. Has anyone here used thes bullets and if so what has your experience shown you?

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Sometimes you won't get an exit wound. Nothing to worry about so long as the bullet hit it's mark and did it's job. Game animals are a natural beast. Just like any living thing, there are variations. Every shot is different and can perform differently. The weight of the animal, density and toughness of bone, musle, and organs all vary with each animal, and will affect bullet performance to some degree. Even in animals of the same species. You must keep in mind that a .270 Win loaded to it's original loading is a pretty high velocity and hot round. At close range those soft point will violently expand causeing the bullet to slow down in the body of an animal.

There are also many things that affect ballistics of the same loads. Distance, air density, powder charge, variations in bullet materials, etc. I would not worry too much about it. If you really really must have and want an exit wound almost all the time, then I'd switch to a tougher constructed bullet, one that's not designed to expand much in the softer light framed animal. But, it sounds to me as though you were getting great bullet performance with those accu-tips.

I reload my own .270 Win with Speer Grand Slams. Each round is as close to the next in performance as I can get it. Factory ammo, there is much more slight variation in powder charge, bullet seat, etc.

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Remington accu tip question.

Over the years I have shot animals with several different calibers and bullet combinations. In my .270, I have used Speer soft point boattails, the old remington bronze points and remington core-lokts. I do remember not getting pass throughs with the bronze points, but I always got them with the core-lokts. I guess what I am concerned about is whether the bullets are blowing up on impact at relatively close ranges. As I stated earlier the antelope was at long rangeand I admit that I was not surprised to not get exits at those ranges. But at 60 yards I really expected a complete pass through. Where I deer hunt it is rare to get a shot over 150 to 200 yards, with most being under 100 yds. I am just worried that the bullet is too fragile and travelling at such a high velocity at these shorter ranges that it might cost me at some point . I have lost a deer or two over my lifetime and I hated it even until today. I hate the idea of losing a deer to something that I could have changed, but I still have almost 2 whole boxes of these bullets and they are very accurate and I must admit that they heve stopped the animals that I have used them on. I was just wondering if anyone else had similar experience's with thes bullets.

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If you're not getting an exit and not finding the bullet, then it is coming apart. Maybe its due to the popularity of the .270, but it seems to me that you hear of more problems with a 130 grain .270 than anything else.

Where on the animal would the exit wounds have been? Did you clip a leaf before entry? A bone and a couple feet of grass packed guts is hard on any bullet.

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Actually I hear more complaints about plastic tipped bullets than anything else. Noslers Ballistic Tip is damned by many. I think that the problem is the tip. When the bullet hits, that tip has to go somewhere. Probably right back into the core like a splitting wedge.

Such a big deal has been made about tips deforming when made of lead but what effect does it really have in a hunting load? Not much I think. And when the exposed lead tip first hits, it starts to mushroom as opposed a hard plastic wedge that takes out the core. I think the best advancement I've seen in bullets have been the X type and they could benefit from the plastic tip I believe to insure reliable opening.

Funny thing is that those that still use exposed lead round nose bullets swear by them. Somehow we get hung up on a sleek high speed bullet still zipping along at super sonic speed at 700 yds when what we really need is a bullet that does a good job inside 300 yds, usually way less.

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Remington accu tip question.

Hey Don, do you think that there is much of a chance of getting a crater wound on the surface of a deer with this bullet?

Also, I remember shooting a deer with the old bronze point bullet and getting 3 exit wounds, do you think that the polymer tips are as bad as the bronze points were?

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i use the winchester supreme 180gr. accu-bonds for moose. 4 out of 5 all had exit wounds. most of the time it takes a rib going in and takes a rib coming out...exit holes usually about the size of a quarter....lots of blood gushing out of exit hole but they usually dont take to many steps Laugh good luck in the bush!! Thumbs up

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p.s. forgot to mention that its the only round i use for moose and deer both...i find them very lethal and quite accurate as well. so i dont know if these polymer tip bullets are as bad as some would like to believe.....too me the person shooting the weapon decides the outcome...same ol story guys...bullet placement is key Thumbs up

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Here is a good link for about every bullet available today. At bottom of page you can click to view Part One of article, mainly calibres and bullet weights.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/hunting_bullet_guide2.htm

Good luck with your next bullet choice Southernsportman, whatever it be, may I suggest 150 grain. The 130 gr have no avantage at all over the 150s in the 270win

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If you mean by crater wound what I think you mean, maybe. If that happens I would say the bullet blew up on entry. I had that happen years ago on a black bead. I hit it at under 100yds with a 140 gr Sierra out of a 7mm mag. The bear went a short ways and went down sick. Required a follow up shot in the back of the head. When I opened it up I found a crater about the size of a soft ball that had nothing in it. Everything around it was blood shot to pieces and no damage in the chest cavity. The first shot was head on between the legs and just under the chin.

I think any bullet pushed to an extreme is capable of doing that with the exception of the X bullet's. They have radically changed the rules but, they are nothing new. P.O. Ackley was making solid copper 17 cal bullets many many years ago and he reported incredible results. The reason's I don't use X bullet's is mostly cost. also I can get more than satisfactory performance from standard cup and core bullets by being choosy about the bullet I use.

An example would be my 25-06. Many many people sing the praise of the 100 gr bullet for deer in it. I think the 25-06 is to hot for it and think I could have problems with it. So in mine I use a 117 gr bullet at just over 3000fps. I have recovered only one bullet and never had one blow up. At least I've never seen any signs of it. At the same time, I did experiment with 100 gr bullets. I shot a porcupine at around 200 yds with one. A bit over 3300fps mv and it absolutely electrified the thing. Turned it to a mass of goo. I can only imagine what would happen it the same bullet clipped a shoulder on a deer going in. Of course the same bullet into the chest cavity meeting little resistance just doesn't make the same mess of things.

The desire to have a cartridge that will reach great distence's and still deliver the power has worked against the bullet's avaliable. But even the cup and core bullet's are remarkable when you concider the velocity ranges the work in.

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Remington accu tip question.

So far I have had no problems other than the lack of an exit wound, so I guess I may be worried about nothing. But I just remembered a deer a friend of mine shot a few years ago with a 7 mag. using ballistic tips where the buller blew up on impact. The range was about 40 yards so we chalked it up to high velocity at short range. This last deer I shot with this bullet was slightly quartering to me( not quite head on) and has I had posted earlier, I was very high up a tree, so I got a slight front to back down angle on entrance between the shoulders. The way the deer fell I am sure I severed the spine, this may have slowed the bullet enough that when it got into the abdomen that it just stopped. I really don't know. Mabe I don't have anything to worry about, only time will tell.

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