Looking for information on recoil. Please point me in the right direction for a good web site or tell me what you know. I would really like to know how a 30-06, 7mm mag and a .300 wsm compare when it comes to recoil. However, I would like to know how much kick every calibre ever made will produce. It would be helpful if you could compare it to shotgun gauges since I am familiar with them. thanks I hope you guys/gals can help. ,)
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Fri, 2006-08-25 14:09
Fri, 2006-08-25 14:38#1
Here is a link to a recoil calc. Give it a try.
Fri, 2006-08-25 15:14#2
That's a good calculator, ChesterGolf. An even 20 lbs recoil out of my 270 with a hot load.
How should the folks using factory loads determine a powder charge, or can they ?
Fri, 2006-08-25 18:25#3
I'm not sure but maybe the factory website would have charge amounts listed. I don't think there is any other way to calc. recoil except to include a charge amount and this can even be misleading from powder to powder depending on burn rates.
Fri, 2006-08-25 20:09#4
I've never seen the factory powder load specs published.
They don't always use powders that are available to the public.
What can be done is tear apart a round and weigh the charge.
Sat, 2006-08-26 07:34#5
I agree fuzzybear. I have never seen them either but they may be available on request somewhere. Without out them the recoil calc. would probably be a guess.
Sun, 2006-08-27 16:16#6
Ah, wait a second. Did I read you right? You want to know the recoil of every caliber ever produced?? That's a lot of information to ask for without doing some research yourself.
I could be wrong, but I'm not sure that anyone on this forum has fired every caliber in every charge using every powder appropriate with every bullet weight out of every firearm produced. It's an impossible question to answer. There is a big difference between the recoil produced in a large caliber centerfire rifle depending on the type of rifle your shooting. Bolt action vs. gas operated semi-auto, experienced shooter vs. inexperienced shooter, recoil sensative vs. non-recoil sensative for example.
Of the ones you named, the .30-06 in a bolt action rifle will deliver the about the same recoil as a 12 gauge 2 3/4", 1 1/4 oz, 3 1/2 + dram field load out of a pump or break action shotgun.
Sun, 2006-08-27 19:42#7
a source with a lot of data is http://www.chuckhawk.com he has a huge recoil chart under rifle information
Mon, 2006-08-28 09:09#8
Did you ever notice that on the Remington Reduced -Recoil ammunition ads, it says the 7mm Rem. Mag has 35 ft-lbs of recoil with a 150 grain bullet? That's more like a 300 Weatherby!
Mon, 2006-08-28 19:05#9
I would really like to know how a 30-06, 7mm mag and a .300 wsm compare when it comes to recoil.
There are a couple of things you can look at that will give you an indication of recoil in different cartridges. Case size and bullet weight's. With all cases the same size, about same capacity, they could be concidered equal in recoil. But take the same three identical cases, use three 30-06 cases, and put three different bullet weights in each and the recoil will increase as the bullets get heavier. The 7mm Rem mag is a very large case, same case as the 338 Win mag. The 30-06 is small in comparison. The 300wsm I'm not familuar with but it gives equal bullet's from the 30-06 a good bit more velocity. To do that requires fuel. More powder burned, more velocity with equal weight bullets equals more recoil.
But, even without all the latest gee whiz recoil reducing aids, felt recoil, which is what you should be concerned with, can be regulated somewhat. A good straight stock will appear to have less recoil than the same exact rifle with to much drop in the heel. That's because the stock with to much drop at heel pushes recoil back and up, rolling on your shoulder and into your cheek. The straight stock pushes recoil straight back and keeps it out of your cheek. Same recoil each time, just transfered different. Most of todays rifles are stocked for scope sights and are straight. Older stocks had more drop in the heel to help line up the eye with iron sights. The sight plain on those rifles is about 1 1/2" lower. But again, recoil didn't change, only felt recoil.
Weight also reduces felt recoil. If you shoot a 30-06 out of a 6# rifle, the recoil will appear sharper than the same load from an 8# rifle. Same recoil just different felt recoil due to difference in weight of the rifle. The heavier rifle helps absorb recoil.
So, all things being equal, use a 165gr 30-06, a 160gr 7mm mag and a 165gr 300wsm and that's about what you can expect with the 30-06 having the least.
Start changing around bullet's and everything will change depending on the weight of the bullet's.
Numbers are really fun and give you lots to talk about but numbers are just numbers. 30# of recoil can feel different depending on the design of a stock and the weight of a rifle. And the weight of recoil changes with the weight of the bullet in the same cartridge and rifle.
Probally wouldn't be fair to compare them to a shotgun. The rifles are generally shot from a different position. For example, shoot your 12ga from a bench rest and it's gonna hurt more than standing up shooting at birds. Same recoil, just different way of holding. From the bench you were seated solid and leaning into the gun. You absorb the recoil from the hips up with your back somewhat less than straight. In the field, you shoot standing with the back straight, leaning slightly forward and absorb the recoil from your feet up.
Then again some people have gotten so used to shooting heavy recoiling rifles that they believe that even cartridges such as the 375 H&H mag are nothing more than a push. Remember this, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction! Big cases burn more fuel. More fuel creates more recoil energy.
Tue, 2006-09-12 09:53#10
I SIGHTED IN MY NEW REMINGTON XCR .375 ULTRA MAG LAST NIGHT AND I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH HOW THE LIMB SAVER R3 RECOIL PAD TOOK THE BITE OUT OF IT. MY SHOULDER DIDNT TAKE A BEATING BUT MY TRIGGER HAND DID FROM THE TRIGGER GUARD. I HIGHLY RECCOMEND ANY CALIBER IN THE XCR MODEL GREAT GUN AND A GREAT RECOIL PAD. THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF THIS RECOIL PAD CAN TAKE THE BITE OUT OF THIS LOAD... A 30-06, 7MM, OR 300 MAG SHOULD FEEL LIKE A PELLET GUN.