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http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerindex?id=8990979

Think about this the next time you think about buying a foreign car.

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I'm reminded of an old story where the captain and first mate of a ship took turns keeping the ship's log. The first mate had a habit of drinking, and one day the captain had enough and made a note in the log: "The first mate was drunk today."

The first mate was understandably upset by this, because the ship's owners would see it and his career would be in jeopardy. So the next day when it was his turn, he wrote, "The captain was sober today."

When Toyota announces a recall, it's a big deal on national news. But when a domestic manufacturer does, nobody notices. Here's a sampling:

Chevy HHR airbags:
http://www.automotive.com/2008/49/chevrolet/hhr/recalls/79758.html

Chrysler Aspen steering:
http://www.automotive.com/2007/49/chrysler/aspen/recalls/15114.html

Dodge Ram tie rods:
http://www.automotive.com/2008/49/dodge/ram-3500/recalls/38750.html

Jeep Grand Cherokee brakes:
http://www.automotive.com/2008/49/jeep/grand-cherokee/recalls/68984.html

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Whelland wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerindex?id=8990979

Think about this the next time you think about buying a foreign car.

I'm sure American cars are far from perfect too. I buy GMC and they're good but the Japanese manufacturing is top notch especially fuel economy, I get 60 MPG.

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Over the years we've had more problems with our "American" made cars than Toyotas. This current problem/recall is very serious and I hope they figure it out promptly. Lives have been lost.

Note that American made does not mean made in America any more, and it hasn't for a long time.

Ford, GMC, etc., have had some very serious issues in the past as well.

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Probably a good chance that "foreign" car was made here in the USA or Canada (yeah, I know it still is technically foreign).

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CVC wrote:
Probably a good chance that "foreign" car was made here in the USA or Canada (yeah, I know it still is technically foreign).

Doesn't bother me buying foreign im going for a good reputable brand with good MPG.

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Well, it's obvious that most of you don't work in the auto industry. I've worked in the auto industry here in Michigan for the last 26 years. It's never been worse. If you haven't lost your job, you've probably taken a pay cut or lost benefits. I will make 75% less than I made last year.

I started out as a production welder and worked my way up through a few different supply companies by hard work and night time college classes. I've done everything from line worker to quality, engineering and management in the supply chain. I've shipped parts to the domestic car companies as well as the foregn ones.

Typically, the domestic car companies are more difficult to work with. However, at the end of the day, their quality expectations are very similar. To be absolutely honest, Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge probably has the highest quality standards (in my opinion.) And yes, I've been in a lot of assembly plants over the years.

I've also benchmarked foreign vs domestic product and the quality of the foreign vehicles is not any better than the domestic brands. I do, after all, have a 1995 full size chevy pickup with 428,000 miles on it.

Over the years the "Big 3" have developed more suppliers overseas. However, the overseas suppliers cannot deliver the quality that the US suppliers can provide. When the overseas suppliers fail to deliver on the difficult programs, they end up back here. That's why we are now starting to deal with only the most difficult parts to manufacture with lowest profit margins.

Another problem is with domestic car companies developing assembly plants overseas taking more jobs from American workers.

Foreign car companies are allowed free trade. Domestic car companies are not. Why do all of these other countries have content laws and high tariffs on automobiles while we do not? Whatever the content law/tariff is on US product should be the same for product coming in. I'm all for free trade...as long as it's fair trade.

At one time the foreign car companies had an edge on domestic cars from a manufacturing standpoint, but not any more. Anyone who states otherwise simply doesn't know what they're talking about. Just let me know when you have my level of education, training and experience in the auto industry and we'll talk.

Every time I see someone driving a foreign car, I think about all of the people that have lost their jobs or taken huge pay cuts. Let me know if you want to hear some of their stories.

OK, now I'm going to get off my soap box. Just think about what I stated before you buy your next new car.

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I think there's one point being missed here. Most Americans buy what they can afford to buy. If you want Americans buying more American then get the import taxes driven up so American cars are cheaper. I have only ever owned one foreign can in my life but I don't buy new either, can't afford them. There was a joke going around for a long time that the only people that could afford American cars were the people that made them. Last I heard the average wage of an auto worker was about $21 per hour but with perks something like $75 per hour. Our school teacher's don't make that much, our cops don't make that much, our firemen don't make that much. Imagine getting $144k per yr pay package for starting lug nuts on a wheel, that is the price of skilled labor!

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Whelland wrote:
Foreign car companies are allowed free trade. Domestic car companies are not. Why do all of these other countries have content laws and high tariffs on automobiles while we do not? Whatever the content law/tariff is on US product should be the same for product coming in. I'm all for free trade...as long as it's fair trade.

I agree with this, however we don't want to price all vehicles so high that its totally out of reach for the average American. Like Don stated, most can't even afford new cars right now. So you end up buying what you can afford.

Whelland, if its any consolation, many folks are in bad shape from this current economy. The ripple affect has been huge. My husband works in the coal industry. There is talk of major layoffs in January. I'm trying not to think about it. Coal has become a dirty word. Not sure what this country is going to do for electricity if they shut down all the mines and power plants. My own business has suffered as well during this poor economy. I keep hoping and praying that we see improvement soon, so we don't all go down the tubes.

Unfortunately - no new cars in our future. We'll have to make do with what we have.

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Don, I've gotta disagree with you. If you want more Americans buying American cars, the answer isn't to use government to artificially inflate the prices of imported cars -- it's to improve the value of American ones by making them competitive. Make a better product than the competition -- it's the American way.

When you can externalize blame for your failures, you don't think you need to change anything. For too long, government has fed this cancer through protectionist legislation, regulation that hinders business, and policies that inflate the price of American labor. Frankly, I'm tired of hearing about businesses that don't care about their workers, and heartlessly lay them off. Business don't exist to be a public welfare program. Their goal isn't to employ people. Their goal is to make money. When they make money, they expand their business (and employ more people). When they don't make money, they contract and people go hungry. Thus, the size of the labor force is an outcome of profit. When businesses focus on growing the business, the size of the workforce increases to accomodate it. But a system centered primarily around employment will prioritize that over growth. Thus, you may be able to keep people employed, but the company doesn't advance, is less competitive, and doesn't grow its workforce.

Why are we bleeding jobs overseas? Because Americans have priced themselves out of the market. Make America attractive to business, and they'll swarm here. That's what China is doing -- for example, they slashed their corporate tax rates to far less than ours.

That's why Obama's economic policies are destined to failure. It's apparent that this administration is anti-business. It considers profit to be an evil thing, the rich are parasites, and that there's absolutely no purpose to business other than to employ people. It continually talks about increasing taxes on the rich, regulating industry, driving up the cost of energy, reducing investment income through taxation, and increasing the cost of labor. In short, it's trying to grow an economy by suffocating the engine that drives it. You can make the kids happy by raiding the cookie jar for awhile, but if nobody's baking cookies it's just a matter of time before the jar's empty.

Yes, America was built on the backs of American labor. But none of those people would have been employed if not for investors that put out the cash to start the company, buy the real estate, invest in equipment, etc. The problem isn't the American worker, because American workers are turning out quality Toyotas and Hondas every day. It's about misplaced priorities.

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I am inclined to agree with ex here.

the American Autoworker have priced themselves out of a job via unrealistic Union demands. Their Union has zero concern about the overall health of the company that employs their members, they ore only looking out for the Union, not the members but the union itself. This was clearly demonstrated during the recent bailout talks.

I see the Autoworkers rise up against their Unions and I'll be more sympathetic to their plight.It is my opinion that they are shooting themselves in the foot by supporting the union that is bent on destroying the very ones who employ their members.
Which is better,A job with a fair wage with decent benefits working for a profitable company or outlandish wage and top notch overpriced benefits that send the company into bankruptcy and you to the unemployment line?

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