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This will be the only area on the BigGameHunt.net forums that ads of any kind will be allowed. Commercial and private listings are allowed.

This service for BGH forum members will be free, so the following rules must be followed, or your ad(s) will be deleted and your account suspended. You must be registered to post.

-All ads must be hunting, fishing or outdoors related.

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Firearms will be shipped FFL to FFL or sold face to face in your state or province, in accordance with the law.

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I do apologize for not knowing all the regulations for the posting a firearm for sale. I only posted the ad as I have done on the other many forums I am involved in and didn't realize that this one was any different. I was going to delete the post but couldn't find a delete option so I edited the post as "This Sale has been canceled' If you would like go ahead and delete it entirely and I apologize again as I didn't intend on compromising the policies of the forum.

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You are welcome to post your firearm for sale in this area. No special rules, it simply must include the text as stated above.

A link back to BigGameHunt.net from your site would be appreciated as well.

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what is "FFL to FFL"?

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FFL if a person or dealer that has an FFL, which is a Federal Firearms License. Typically if firearms are purchased online, they will be shipped to someone in your town that has that license. By law, firearms cannot be shipped directly to just any person, they must be handed over by a licensed person.

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does biggamehunt.net have a banner we can use to link from a site/ad?

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Correct me if i'm wrong, but you don't have to have an FFL to ship a firearm that you own as long as you ship it to an FFL. All you need is a copy of the FFL of the person you're shipping it to in case UPS asks for it.

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To ship firearms in the USA you must have an FFL and ship to a person or business with an FFL. So both ends, shipper and receiver must have FFLs. If you do not have one and wish to ship, then you must take it to a shop or person with an FFL to ship for you.

Some states have additional restrictions (like California) on shipping firearms, so check with your own state. A sporting goods store that sells firearms should be able to help you out.

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Not trying to start an argument however i want to be clear about what's required. It seems there's a lot of different views on this subject. I copied this from Gunbrokers web.

Shipment by Unlicensed Persons
Any shipper who does not have a Federal Firearms License (FFL) is considered to be an 'unlicensed person'. This section contains information on how unlicensed persons can ship firearms. If you have an FFL, please skip to the next section for shipping suggestions.
The most important thing to know is that you must only ship guns to a licensee. If the buyer is not a licensed dealer, he will have to make arrangements with a dealer in his state to ship the item to.

Before you ship a gun, the buyer must fax or mail you a copy of the licensee's signed FFL license. You can only ship the gun to the address on the license. You must inform the carrier that the package contains a firearm. Of course, the firearm cannot be shipped loaded; ammunition may not be shipped in the same box. You should take the copy of the signed FFL with you when you take the item to be shipped in case the shipper wishes to see it.

Notes on specific shippers:

US Mail: An unlicensed person can ship a rifle or shotgun by US Mail. Unlicensed persons cannot ship a handgun by US Mail. Postal regulations allow the Post Office to open your package for inspection. Ammunition cannot be shipped by US Mail. You can search the US Post Offer Postal Explorer site for specific USPS regulations regarding firearms and ammunition.

FedEx: FedEx will only ship firearms via their Priority Overnight service. Ammunition must be shipped as dangerous goods.

UPS: UPS will accept handgun shipments by Next Day Air only. Rifles and shotguns can be shipped by UPS ground service. UPS will accept shipments of ammunition. UPS does not allow shipment of firearms FROM an unlicensed person (even to an FFL), unless the stated reason for the firearm shipment is for repair or modifications.

Most other shippers will no longer accept firearm shipments. Airborne and Roadway have specifically prohibited firearm shipments.

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Here is the direct link to UPS shipping rules:
http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/prepare/guidelines/firearms.html
Note, the first paragraph "UPS accepts packages containing firearms, as defined by Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code, for transportation from and between licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, and licensed collectors..."

Fedex's is very similar "FedEx Express will transport and deliver firearms as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S., but only between : Licensed importers; licensed manufacturers; licensed dealers; licensed collectors; law enforcement agencies of the U.S. or any department or agency thereof; and law enforcement agencies of any state or any department, agency or political subdivisions thereof; or Where not prohibited by local, state and federal law, from individuals to licensed importers, licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers (and return of same). "

http://fedex.com/us/services/terms/us.html#firearms

USPS shipping regs:
11.1.2 Handguns
Pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person (referred to as handguns) are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in 11.1.3 and 11.1.5 after the filing of an affidavit or statement required by 11.1.4 and 11.1.6.
Although unloaded rifles and shotguns not precluded by 11.1.1e and 11.1.2 are mailable, mailers must comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618, 18 USC 921, et seq., and the rules and regulations promulgated thereunder, 27 CFR 178, as well as state and local laws.

http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/601.htm#wp1103548

So the only shipper you could interpret as possibly being able to ship without an FFL is via USPS, but only some rifles, shotguns and antique firearms, and then only to some states.

To save yourself grief and aggravation, it is still recommended that you only ship FFL to FFL.

BTW gunbrokers info is incomplete or you didn't copy all of it.

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