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ranching for wildlife

This was a big waste of pp points and time. They seemed to be bothered by us that were there to hunt. And are more worried about selling late season hunts than helping any public hunters that were there.

I did see alot of animals though, 4000 sheep,4 dogs, 2 horses with 2 mexicans sreaming at the dogs in spanish all day. When i finally got a hold of the outfitter i was told that this area was my best chance at getting an animal. I would hate to see the worst.

Dont waste your time and pp points on this scam!

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That's a bummer.  What ranch

That's a bummer.  What ranch was it?  

I've hunted a few of the ranches in this program and wouldn't say they rolled out the red carpet, but I've always been given access to wherever I wanted to go on their ranch and always found lots of elk to hunt.

 The state also has an evaluation program aimed at public hunter satisfaction.  The ranches that perform poorly are down-graded and get lower allotments of tags they can sell to guided clients.

 

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rfw

four mile. There were 10 hunters along 4 miles of road 38 through the ranch.

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Never hunted elk on Four Mile

Never hunted elk on four mile.  I hunted antelope (doe) on their ranch last year.  The outfitter had just taken over the program on the ranch and they were a little disorganized.  Their published success rates for elk are pretty low too.  Sounds like their disorganization is more of a systemic problem than just startup issues.  I figured they would be very attentive to the public hunters this year to avoid getting rated too low to keep the number of licenses necessary to operate an outfitting business.  Guess I was pretty far off there.

I'd be happy to give you some feedback on the ranches I've hunted elk.  Thus far they have been pretty good experiences with low hunting pressure.  Shoot me a PM if you'd like more info.

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  Yes, sorry to hear of your

 

Yes, sorry to hear of your misfortune.  I copy on the ability to evaluate your "experience" with the CDOW as they will have some follow up and at least you warn others of the poor hunt you experienced.  Lesson learned here and thanks for the learning curve!

 

 

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4-mile

Loco -

Sorry to hear you had a bad experience.  Can't speak for the RFW operation.  I hunted the NF just to the east of Four Mile 1st Rifle and was finding very little sign and no elk.  It had been a very productive area for me the previous two years (took a cow in 09 and and decent 6x6 last year about not far inside the FS boundary).  I think the heavy snow last winter did a number on the resident herd -- pushed them so far off that they have no yet returned.

From what I've seen of the 4-mile ranch property, I always thought it looked promising for mule deer and maybe late season elk, but then I have not walked the interior -- only driven through it.  But then I'm always drawn towards the dark timber.

 

 

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i was hunting deer. saw none

i was hunting deer. saw none on the ranch where i was sent to hunt. we were given very small areas to hunt.

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I have both goos and bad

I have both goos and bad things about the Ranching for wildlife program. There has been people who have shared really good stories about their hunts and others like you who have had really bad experiences. On paper it seems like a good program, It will give the public access to some very good ranches and areas to hunt but Then there are tat bad ranchers who shove the public to bad parts of the ranch and don't give them the time of day. Like others have has you should report your bad experience to the DOW maybe if there are enough complaints they will kick that rancher out of the program or atleast hunters will know its a bad one to go to. Sorry you had a bad time that really sucks.

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First off I am not going to

First off I am not going to defend the ranch but did you do you homework on the ranch and see what the hunting would be like?  Also did you asked to be moved to a different location when the sheep and sheep herders came through?  If you look at the RANCH RULES you could of done that.  Now if you would of been in a better area or not who knows.  Also with it only requiring 3 points to draw a either sex deer tag should of been a indicator but then they have a 79% success rate on either sex and a 86% success rate on does.  Now weather most of those with either sex tags are shooting does I don't know. 

I have heard both good and bad about the RFW program but with most of it being bad.  Mostly hunters do not like to be told that they can only hunt a certain area and like to move a lot if they are not seeing game.  I am one of those kind of hunters.  If I am not seeing what I am hunting I want to move but with the RFW rules you just can't pick up and go.   

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I've hunted several ranches

I've hunted several ranches over the last several years and have had overall pretty good experiences.  I've also done a bunch of research before putting in for the tags, trying to read up on their outfitting operation, checking out the draw and success rate histories, looking at the DAU plans for the units they are in and reading up on the population trends, etc.  Not that any of this information will somehow gaurantee a good hunt, but it gives me an idea of how many animals I can expect to find.  I've avoided the "easy" draw ranches too, figuring if the draw is easy not too many hunters want to return for another hunt at that particular ranch.

That said, it's really important to hear about the hunts that really sucked, just as much (if not more) as the RFW hunts that were great.  I know it doesn't make the hunt any better for those that experience the bad ones, but it does help for others to avoid a sucky experience.

One last comment on the RFW program.  I've never had any trouble hunting anywhere on the ranches.  When asked for, I've always been relocated to a different area without any problems.  On some ranches, there were absolutely no restrictions in that I was able to travel any road and hunt any area.  The outfitters (or program directors) have treated me respectfully, some downright freindly.  I may just be one of the lucky ones too, I suppose.

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I don't no much about 4 mile

I don't no much about 4 mile ranch but cross mountain ranch is the Elk meca of CO i have not herd any thing bad about there RFW hunting

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