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Rancher refuses rescuers......2 bulls die

Chcek out this link wiht pictures

http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=122610

Here's the story:

Lonney Broadus, Bear River City: “And I don’t like to see animals suffer and die that slow, painful death.”

The deaths of two bull elk tangled together while clashing antlers in a mating ritual are stirring strong feelings. Rescuers were forced to stand by for three days as the elk slowly died because a rancher wouldn't allow them on his property.

This is a case where private property rights prevailed. The rancher won the argument on legal grounds and two trophy elk paid a price, dying a slow death.

Two Utah hunters crossed the state line into Nevada last week to observe elk. On video they captured a rare event: two elk, antlers interlocked. When they got closer, they realized both were alive. Instead of bugling, the elk could be heard almost pleading.

The hunter who caught it on tape says he’s never seen anything like it before.

Lonney Broadus: “At first I thought, you know, this is a magnificent sight. This is once in a lifetime. Then you’re going, ‘Oh man, if they don’t get undone, they’re gonna die.’”

Steve Braegger: “So our main objective was to try to find some help and free them.”

They called Nevada wildlife officials who came to the scene the next morning; it's on a private ranch, a mile west of Utah, just south of Idaho. But the rescuers were forced to stand by for three days while the elk died. Rancher Bud Bedke wouldn't allow them to cross his property line.

Lonney Broadus: “It would be hard to watch. It would be hard to sit there and watch that for three days.”

Steve Braegger: “And it just makes you sick that those animals laid there for three or four days suffering.”

According to Nevada wildlife officials, the rancher has a long-standing grievance with the way all three states manage their elk herds. And he’s consistently complained about the elk tearing down his fences and letting his cattle run loose.”

Lonney Broadus: “They do cause him a hardship or a loss of income. But to let this happen is unacceptable.”

While the elk were still alive, Nevada officials worked late into the night trying to find a legal pretext for saving them. But property rights trumped the dying elk.

Lonney Broadus: “I’m sick. If I’d known it was going to turn out like this, I’d have done something completely different.”

We offered rancher Bud Bedke a chance to talk, but he didn't return our calls.

Wildlife officials were extremely upset over what happened. They were close enough on a public road to shoot the elk and put them out of their misery. But they concluded they couldn't legally do that either.

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How sad... I can't imagine anyone being that stubborn. Those elk were magnificent, what a loss.

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Yet another example of what happens when ethical hunting rules are not practiced. In this case, it wasn't the hunting public that turned the landowner against effective wildlife management, it was government agencies that persuaded him to not help out.

A man's land means a lot to him out there in the boonies. When agents start screwing around with his property rights, telling him what he can and can't do on his own land, you can expect him to go a long ways to make a point. We need to have sensible laws made by reasonable lawmakers who can understand what this means, or we can expect a lot more situations like this in the future. How much sense does it make to pay wildlife agents to go kill 60 head of elk because landowners are complaining too much, yet that is what is being done in South Central Washington this month. The reason for this is because the EPA declared the area where the elk are staying now off limits to the hunting public because of sensitive habitat issues, but the wildlife agents are exempt from the rule.

Stupid laws and regulations force impacted individuals to take drastic actions to protect their rights. None of us would tolerate having the government come to our homes and dictate our actions, so I'm not too upset about how this landowner treated the government this time. Maybe he could've worked a deal out with them, but more likely he's tried that before and they just screwed him over as is the status quo, and he figures it is just easier to be an ass and do what he must to keep the government from harrassing him further.

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Benjamin the landowner was mad because the elk where tearing up his fences and because he feels Idaho Nevada and Utah are not managing the elk herds right. How does this come into the government dictating rules to him?
Here is the news link to watch what was on the news.....
Click the link and watch the news report.
http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=8&sid=122606

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I am surprised that the wildlife agencies involved took the position they did. I've seen similar situations where the game department insisted on letting nature running it's course.

~Jeff~

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Here is another article.

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Officials were allowed access a few hours later. Smith and another officer removed the heads — each was a six-point bull — and moved them to the Elko office.

Wow, Bud Bedke is one pissed dude. It would be interesting to read what Bedke's beef is in his own words, rather than media or DOW speculation.

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Exactly Bitmasher.
There is always 2 sides to every story. Let take for example both sides. Lets say for the sake of arguement Bedke has been having problems with F&G. Is it right to take your problems outside the realm of the problem? The problem is with the F&G. Not with something that does not have a clue what is going on inside the arguement. Another step farther. Its the elk tearing up fences and so forth. Another step who owns the land? Well to stop something that has been there way longer than those ranchers fences and was living there before those fences where even there. Thought possession was 9/10th of the law. OK the last one is like in a area here that they are taking up elks feeding grounds and wintering grounds. The home owners are starting to get mad because the elk and deer are eating up schrubs and trees in there yards and leaving tons of crap till spring. It is instinct for generations to come back there. Now with the fences. yes I believe the elk get tangled up in the fences and probably tear them up. Maybe run a hot wire. Elk probably realize that fences are in this area and have no clue it is there to keep them out. Thats why they can jump. Then the last thing is being mad at F&G and taking it out on the elk. Well some might think its letting mother nature taking its course but when you see a vehicle over turned on the highway do you drive by and say thats mother nature, should have not been speeding. The other thing is when you have a problem with anyone do you go confront or talk to the person you have a problem with? Or do you go smash his car up. go spray paint graffitti on there house or better yet as i used to hear when I was younger. I will go shoot there dog. Take it to the person you are mad at.
This whole story whether Bedke was mad at F&G for what reason is just like a child who didnt get his own way and had to take HIS TOYS and go home. One of those child mentalities of I will fix you BS. Makes me wonder if he is not one of them guys who charge to hunt on his land. But they can graze there sheep and cattle on public land.
Just my thoughts on the subject.

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I think this is more like Bedke asking F&G how they like it now that the shoe's on the other foot. They kept telling him he couldn't do anything about the elk coming on his property and tearing things up a bit because of their stupid rules, so when a pair of trophies gets in trouble, he puts the F&G agents in his situation. The F&G use the excuse that them going on Bedke's land is the natural order of things, so when he complains that he's got property damage from too many elk, their response is something like "too bad, so sad, bye bye". Now he's giving them a taste of their own medicine. Either way, whether it's the F&G espousing stupid rules or Bedke exercising his property rights, the elk lose. Maybe now that Bedke's issues have gone public, the F&G will be a little more apt to try and work with the landowners more and not just shine them on when they have a problem. In that respect, Bedke may have instigated some beneficial changes for the elk herds. That is, if the agency can learn from their own mistakes.

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Only thing Bedke did here form the friends that I hunt with is anger towards a moron like him. I understand that elk do damage but what do you do if you take some of the land they roam? Does he offer people a chance to shoot them? I have talked to several people here about him and I haven't heard a good thing about the guy. He has shot other elk in the past few years and got caught. Come on if I moved into a cave with a bear that sucker will tear me up. Same thing here about good feed on his land. Maybe he should sell off his land then he wouldnt have the elk problem. Some of the guys I talked to says he doesnt let people hunt his land.

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I wouldn't judge the rancher until he speaks out. The man is mad, mad enough to do something that a lot of folks find unacceptable. When someone is that mad there are sometimes reasons for it.

We know that not every F&G officer is a shining light of goodness and I have no reason to believe that the F&G or the officers handling this case are any better. If there was prior bad blood between this officer and the rancher, perhaps they had a bad meeting or even the officer suggested doing something illegal. Maybe they have a past or maybe the rancher was afraid because of something suggested in the contact (don't laugh, its completely possible), or from a prior incidence.

Maybe the rancher offered to go shoot the bulls himself and asked for a temporary poaching waiver for those two bulls in writing. Nobody comes on his land, the bulls stop suffering, and everybody goes home. Then the F&G officer copped an attitude and told him "no way" your going to do it "my way or the highway, buster". Would that change anybodies opinion? It would certainly effect mine.

The officer even says in the text above that if he had "known it was going to work out this way" he would have done things completely differently. What is that supposed to mean? What would he have done completely differently? That implies that he feels he did something that could have been done better.

Look, I'm not trying to cast doubt on the F&G, I'm just saying that until I know more, I'm witholding judgement on bedke. For all that I know, these officers might be real stand up folks.

If Bedke had no other reason than to spite the elk, then I agree the man is down right mean and deserves the tongue lashing he is getting. Somehow that sounds to simple to me though.... of course I could be barking up the wrong tree as well.

BTW, in my experience, people don't usually get the nickname "Bud" because their butt wipes.

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Here is info fodder on Bedke.

Bedke unanimously elected to Advisory Resource Council

Bedke speaks with board to discuss FS problems on behalf of citizens

These are recent, just a few months old.

I'm pulling those from the google cache. So links might go away, but anybody can find the minutes by searching for "karl bedke" in google.

Any way, this paints a picture of a guy that may have issues with such-and-such, but is willing to work them out in a civil manner. Can't say that it really proves anything, but it shows he probably isn't a raving wack job, but rather somebody engaged in and voted into public processes.

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