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Quick kill archery?

Hello all - this is my first post here. I've rifle hunted for deer and elk since I was old enough with my dad - I'm now 40.

I've never gone archery hunting and actually know very little about it.

This year my son, who's 12, took his hunter's ed course and this will be his first season. He's sort of worried that if he sees a buck, he won't be able to "kill bambi" I assured him that when he's out and actually see's something, he won't even be thinking about it.

Anyway, we have the Outdoor channel on cable where we live. He was watching several deer hunting shows this past weekend, several of which featured archery hunts. He became very concerned that the archery hunts never (at least on the show) produce a 1st shot (archery) clean kill (like they taught him in hunter's ed is the ideal) and that most of the shots shown did not hit a vital area (i.e., heart lung area). Now, I know even with rifle hunting, you don't always drop the deer right where he's standing and explained that to him. But he was pretty upset about it and asked that I watch with him.
So I sat and watched, and have to agree with what he said he was seeing on the shows... I was very suprised to see most of the shots hitting close to the rear quarter, as in a gut shot, and not a heart/lung shot. The animal would run off and they hunter would go and find them.

So, my son asked me, and now I'm asking you... are these shows a realistic portrayal of how a archery hunt goes?? Poor shot placement (other then it hit the animal), and what appears to be from the program, not necessarily a quick, clean kill?

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Quick kill archery?

Do hunters make less than perfect hits on animals, of course, even though we strive to be perfect.

Generally, a deer will not go down upon impact when shot with an arrow. They die from blood loss so it is normal for a deer, even when perfectly hit, to run off.

You need to look at the shots taken and see if they were quartering away shots which is the preferred shot. You will aim further back on a quartering away shot than a broadside shot. Your point of aim is the away shoulder, not right behind the near shoulder for the quartering away shot.

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CVC wrote:
Do hunters make less than perfect hits on animals, of course, even though we strive to be perfect.

Generally, a deer will not go down upon impact when shot with an arrow. They die from blood loss so it is normal for a deer, even when perfectly hit, to run off.

You need to look at the shots taken and see if they were quartering away shots which is the preferred shot. You will aim further back on a quartering away shot than a broadside shot. Your point of aim is the away shoulder, not right behind the near shoulder for the quartering away shot.

Thanks for the insight. Of course I understand that hunters, no matter how hard we try, can make less than perfect shots. I guess I just "assumed" with today's tech advances in the bows, the changes in broadheads, etc., that the quick kill was more common.

To answer your question - I don't think I saw any of the shots taken as a quartering away shot... they were all broadside.

Again, thank you. I'm just trying to learn.

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Mark,

Questions and learning are good so please continue to ask and offer your insight on issues too.

Bow and broadhead technology has advanced, but the basic concept of how an arrow kills a deer hasn't changed. An arrow through the heart or lungs still requires the animal to bleed out to die. There isn't the "shock" factor and massive internal destruction from an arrow that you get with a high power rifle.

Frequently, animals don't even know the arrow has passed through them and react to the sound and not the arrow itself.

I rifle and bow hunt, but I really love bowhunting. Getting close to the animals is super exciting.

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CVC wrote:
There isn't the "shock" factor and massive internal destruction from an arrow that you get with a high power rifle.

Ok - that makes sense. Thanks for answering my questions... now, if you can answer the one I posted in the Rocky Mountain area, that would be great. ;)

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