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A questions of ethics maybe?

My guess is that if game managers were seriously concerned about calf survival they would dictate no shooting mother with young. That being said - the calves would be the most vulnerable, especially without mom. Yet that may not be entirely true either. After rut the males are often the most vulnerable - exhausted chasing and fighting for the ladies. How big is a calf moose? A cow and calf ran into me the other day - and the calf was huge - though probably last year's, not this. If I could drive to the kill spot - maybe the cow. If I had to pack the kill over hills, across ravines, and through jungles to get to my rig ... BANG! (drop the calf).

I don't know how mom would react to you walking up to her dead offspring. If the calf was indeed dead - I suspect she would stand there - and eventually move off. They protect life - but also know death. Tomorrow she'd probably forget she even had a calf - she'd dry up - and start looking for bulls.

My 2 cents.

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This one is easy.....don't shoot cows.

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".....the number of moose that one cow can produce. A healthy cow has approximately 15 reproductive years, which means she produces at least 15 calves. Because she’ll occasionally have twins, we’ll up the total to 20 calves in her lifetime. If half of these calves survive to adulthood, that one cow has added 10 moose to the population.

But there’s more. Let’s say half of those 10 calves are females, and each one of those five females produces 10 adult moose. That’s 50 moose added to the population from the original cow!

But wait - there’s even more. If half of these 50 moose are cows, that’s 25 cows that can each produce 10 adult moose. That’s 250 moose added to the population from the original cow!

There’s more, but you’re probably getting the picture by now. Basically, when you shoot a bull you remove one moose from the population. And as long as there are at least a few other bulls around, some fella will make sure the cows get pregnant. But shoot a cow and you remove the potential for adding hundreds of moose to the population."

Do what you have to I guess....but if at all possible...don't shoot cows.

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A questions of ethics maybe?
Serious Hunter wrote:
My guess is that if game managers were seriously concerned about calf survival they would dictate no shooting mother with young. That being said - the calves would be the most vulnerable, especially without mom. Yet that may not be entirely true either. After rut the males are often the most vulnerable - exhausted chasing and fighting for the ladies. How big is a calf moose? A cow and calf ran into me the other day - and the calf was huge - though probably last year's, not this. If I could drive to the kill spot - maybe the cow. If I had to pack the kill over hills, across ravines, and through jungles to get to my rig ... BANG! (drop the calf).

I don't know how mom would react to you walking up to her dead offspring. If the calf was indeed dead - I suspect she would stand there - and eventually move off. They protect life - but also know death. Tomorrow she'd probably forget she even had a calf - she'd dry up - and start looking for bulls.

My 2 cents.

Yeah, I'm in agreement here. Calves are undoubtedly more vulnerable after the cow has been taken. However, seasons and regulations are in place due to time proven success rates of the calf's survival. If the chances were that great that the calf would perish in each instance such as this, perhaps we would see rules such as those that apply to black bear - either sex may be taken, but sows with cubs are forbidden.
It shows your humanity to question this - and that's a good thing. I, personally, would not take either given the situation. But, if I were, it would be based on how much meat I need, whether I was prepared to wait for the calf to leave the mother (which I know from road kills can take as long as 2 days...more of a personal dilemma) or the cow waiting for the calf (perhaps not the length that the cow would stay around the calf, but her maternal temper would be of concern).
Plus, as Serious Hunter said, how far do you have to carry the meat? The calf is a lighter load.

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Here in Ontario you buy your Moose Licence in spring and get in on the lottery!
999 out of 1000 chose a bull tag in the lottery. If you don't get the bull tag, you are allowed to hunt for calves.
The reason is that a calve has a relatively low survival rate during our (at least) 6 month of winter and most locals are going for the meat anyway.
Or motto in northern Ontario is, with the tongue firmly planted into the cheek, "We have 8 month of winter and 4 month of bad sledding!".
So, for us a calve is the only option if you don't get a bull/cow tag in the lottery!

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A questions of ethics maybe?
northwolf wrote:
Here in Ontario you buy your Moose Licence in spring and get in on the lottery!
999 out of 1000 chose a bull tag in the lottery. If you don't get the bull tag, you are allowed to hunt for calves.
The reason is that a calve has a relatively low survival rate during our (at least) 6 month of winter and most locals are going for the meat anyway.
Or motto in northern Ontario is, with the tongue firmly planted into the cheek, "We have 8 month of winter and 4 month of bad sledding!".
So, for us a calve is the only option if you don't get a bull/cow tag in the lottery!

Having lived in both areas...if you think Ontario's draw is tough, forget about NB. No such thing as a "guarunteed group size" on the east coast.

Personally - I'd let them both walk and try to call in a bull. But it's legal, and your call.

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It is true if you buy a moose tag you are automatically given a calf tag so for some of us we arent granted a right to take a bull or cow.

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It is true if you buy a moose tag you are automatically given a calf tag so for some of us we arent granted a right to take a bull or cow.

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Ya we only got calf tags again this year. Do you even have a bull tag? Go out with a friend if you are alowed to party hunt and take both Evil! .
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Nope, no bull tag this year for me, or cow for that matter. Its calf for dinner this year. You guys will never believe me but this spot I found is ridiculous. There is so many moose tracks it looks like a herd of moose is nearby. I think I found a really hot spot for this year's hunt. I was out all weekend and it was amazing, but there was no sign anywhere that it was in the summer. So I ended up driving on a friends property where they are logging, and it's polluted with tracks and fresh scat. I cant wait till morning, I'm going to sit there all day tommorrow and call. 5am I'll be there waiting wish me luck. By the way I have never seen so many calf tracks. There is either a mother and twins using it as a runway everyday or a few sets of Cows and calfs and some nice cows and bulls tracks also. The thing I really like about this spot is where the logging road ends there are swamps all the way around it in a big cresent and it looks like there is only one way to go.(Which is very nice for me)

I would also like to wish everyone good luck and bring home some meat boys. Dont forget the storys and pics.

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The only way to get a cow/calf moose or mature moose here is to get a lucky LEH draw. In my region, without that the best you get is a chance at an immature bull-spiked fork. I personally wouldnt shoot a calf with cow or vice versa, but I would shoot a cow by herself if I was able to.

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