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Well said, JTapia. And I disagree with calling my view of police "reactionary." I said police are reactive, which is different from having a reactionary view.

I don't disagree with the idea that police help create stability that lowers crime. But roughly 16,000 US homicides per year attest to the fact that if someone is going to commit a crime, they will succeed unless physically stopped.

I once had a friend who walked into her house after work one night and was assaulted by a guy with a pair of scissors, brutally raped, and left on the floor as he stole her car and fled. It didn't matter that the neighborhood windows weren't broken, the sidewalks were free of drunks, etc. Even if she had been able to make it to the phone, her attacker had cut the line. If she had been armed with a gun, she would've had a chance. Even when she got to the corner gas station afterward and called the cops, it took them half an hour to get there.

Police can't be everywhere, and once a violent crime has started it'll almost always be over long before they arrive. The right to protect one's own life is one of the most basic human rights -- and people like Obama seek to take it away.

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I did, it goes back to May of 95 beginning of 3d year of Clinton, I'm posting in between canvasing and phone banking is there any special part I'm supposed to read? I've got an election to win here.

The only Republican move that helped Clinton was Bush #1 increasing taxes to balance the budget. Reagan was another borrow and spend president, basicaly a big joke, just like Bush #2. I'm glad your wages have increased, my net worth has multiplied by a factor of 100 but my employees sure hasn't. If I found someone who had lost everything would that tell us anything? Of course not, data is not the plural of anecdote. Statisticaly wages have been flat since 76 in constant dollars for the working class. During Clinton they went up a little, during Bush all wages have gone down. First time wages have gone down in a recovery.

Bush blew it all by himself on 9/11 should have fired his ass then.

Blaming everything bad on Clinton is a hilarious. Face it, the Republicans are over.

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I did, it goes back to May of 95 beginning of 3d year of Clinton, I'm posting in between canvasing and phone banking is there any special part I'm supposed to read? I've got an election to win here.

Bush blew it all by himself on 9/11 should have fired his *** then.

Blaming everything bad on Clinton is a hilarious. Face it, the Republicans are over.

The Link is the full text of the The Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992 which charges Freddie and Fannie with making unsound loan guarantees. I should not have to cut and paste it here.

Bush had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. He had only been president 9 months. There has not been another attack since. Once again a legacy from Clinton that was handled by Bush.

I nor anyone here that I have seen has blamed Everything on Clinton, only what he has done. If his record stinks it is not my fault.

Now you want the rest of the U S to be exactly like Chicago?
I, personally, would rather it not.

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Bush responsible for 911...this is the caliber of people that feel they have the judgment to run a country. Absolutely ridiculous.

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I'm glad your wages have increased, my net worth has multiplied by a factor of 100 but my employees sure hasn't.

Why has your worth gone up but your employees has not?
Why don't you pay them what they are worth if they have made you that much net profit.
That sounds like those CEO's you and your comrades keep defaming.
Enjoy that 100 times net worth increase that you have because if Obama wins as you pray that he does, then that 100 times increase will be redistributed(read, taken from you and given) to your employees. We'll see how much you tout "spreading the wealth" then.

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Still waiting for an answer, as are your employees also I would imagine.

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Still waiting for an answer, as are your employees also I would imagine.

I imagine it is hard to answer that question so he is avoiding you. It would suck to work for someone whose net worth has multiplied 100 times while yours remains static.

Obviously no trickle down effect in Civetcat's company.

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Most of my good fortune has come from outside investments and also lets just face it, dumb good luck. Many people attribute succsess to somehow being smarter than the average Joe and working harder. In my experience most people work very hard.

I know of another company that pays higher wages down in Denver, but other than that I'm the highest around. For the industry I'm in, I'm known as a good place to work. My prices are also higher than anyone else I know of but I never seem to lack for work. I am at the point where I lose work because my prices are high and I'm not interested in working because the profit isn't enough to interest me. I often feel as if I'm operating an employment company.

Over the past two years I've not hired new workers, I stopped expanding six years ago. I think soon I'll no longer bid new jobs. Most of my income is from savings accounts.

I'd be happy if they tripled the minimum wage, it would have a spill over affect on all pay. Whatever business I do next I'd have to pay more but so would my competitors. When I did the math on the effect of paying a $15 dollar employee $30 or $35 the total cost to the customer was only up 20%. I seriously would love to see a tripling of minimum wages.

I think we should get back to the topic of Republicans increasing the size of the Federal Government and running up deficite spending while the Dems pay it off and practice fiscal responsibility resulting in higher employment and increased income. Looking all the way back to Roosvelt that's the way it's gone.

That last pres of yours was a joke. Ignores inteligence warnings because he doesn't like to read, uses a national tragedy to start a war on someone else who just happens to be of the same part of the world, and so easy to confuse for the public. (Any of you geniuses still think Iraq attacked us on 9/11?)

This mess is going to take a lot of work to clean up. I hope you all are able to last a couple of years.

PS don't expect immeadiate responses to querries, I'm trying to get things together to get out of here for a couple of months and am often busy. Also love reading the papers about the Repubs getting trounced. Center left country these days eh?

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That last pres of yours was a joke. Ignores inteligence warnings because he doesn't like to read, uses a national tragedy to start a war on someone else who just happens to be of the same part of the world, and so easy to confuse for the public. (Any of you geniuses still think Iraq attacked us on 9/11?)

Bush wasn't your president too? Does this mean that the Obama is not my president? I don't think so - good or bad, agreement or disagreement they are OUR president.

I think the following bumper sticker sums up my thoughts on Bush. "Bush, like a rock, only dumber."

I rank Bush as the worst president in my lifetime - ahead of Jimmy Carter who previously held that honor.

But my dissatisfaction for Bush doesn't mean that I will close my eyes and embrace the Obama. Yes, he is my president now and I hope he does great things, but I will be watching him closely.

And, increasing minimum wage does nothing to help the poor. As you said, increase the minimum wage and other wages must be raised too, so the poor, while earning more per hour are still poor relative to everyone else not earning minimum wage.

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I would also argue that raising the minimum wage hurts the poor. By raising the cost of labor, business owners employ fewer people. Sure, those who make min wage earn more, but there's fewer of them. Higher costs for above-board employees also increases the incentive to use undocumented labor. So if you consider illegal aliens in the mix, I suppose you could argue that higher minimum wages helps them find jobs.

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