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Actually, Bush did a great job with the economy -- especially with pulling us out of the damage of late 2001. Things went well until the mortgage crisis started things tumbling recently. But even that could have been prevented if Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had been regulated like the Repubs wanted. But Dems like Barney Frank buried their heads in the sand and refused to heed warnings, and look what we got.

As for California, it was in pretty sad fiscal shape and having rolling brownouts under Gray Davis. Arnold turned that around.

Yeah, you're doing a HECKUVA job Bushie, just wonderful. Remember the fundamentals of our economy haven't been stronger!

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Again, you're dodging. And WHY is the economy tanking? C'mon, Mr. Intel Analyst - do the research. It started with the collapse of the mortgage industry. And WHY did the mortgage industry collapse? Because of sub-prime loans. And WHY did those loans occur? Because the Democrats pushed a bad program and opposed controls in order to loan enormous amounts of money to people who weren't able to pay it back.

What they did is stick a leg out in front of Bush to trip him, and now they're blaming him for falling.

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expatriate wrote:
Again, you're dodging. And WHY is the economy tanking? C'mon, Mr. Intel Analyst - do the research. It started with the collapse of the mortgage industry. And WHY did the mortgage industry collapse? Because of sub-prime loans. And WHY did those loans occur? Because the Democrats pushed a bad program and opposed controls in order to loan enormous amounts of money to people who weren't able to pay it back.

What they did is stick a leg out in front of Bush to trip him, and now they're blaming him for falling.

Yes, yes, anyone who's a dem going back to 1000 bc is at fault. Happy now?

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Thanks, but I wouldn't go back as far as 1000 B.C. Jimmy Carter started the scheme, so I'd limit it to the past 30 years.

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Yes, yes, anyone who's a dem going back to 1000 bc is at fault. Happy now?

Actually the current crisis had its beginning in 1992 with The Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992 pushed thru a Democratically held congress by President Bill Clinton.
It forced Freddie and Fannie to make loan guarantees to individuals regardless of ability to repay. This was supposed to stop loan companies from "Red-Lining" certain "undesirable" areas, thus the beginning of Sub-Prime loans.
http://www.gao.gov/archive/1995/gg95123.pdf

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Yup, you're right Jtapia. All the blustering about the economy being Bush's fault is a bunch of baloney. It was Clinton who got us all into this mess.

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I will bet my last dollar the 'victims' in these killings were armed themselves. Most of the inner city violence are bad guys and gangsters shooting at and killing each other.

Wow, couldn't have said it better myself, except your the guy who supports the gun ban candidate.

Further evidence that gun ban laws just keep the guns out the hands of those that wouldn't cause a problem in the first place and do nothing to keep guns out the hands of those that will cause trouble regardless of what the law states.

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I guess you all are right.

Clinton: record number of jobs created, biggest ecomomic expansion in history, record surplus, rising income among all sectors.

Bush, decliining wages for 8 years, lower Dow Jones than when he took office, record defecit, smaller number of jobs created than Clinton did in any 2 years, two wars, tanking economy, worst financial crisis since great depression. Must be Clinton's fault.

It's obvious Bush has been much better than Clinton. Makes sense to me. Up is down, day is night, black is white, right?

PS Expat you have a reactionary view of police. Good policing stops crime before it happens by creating an environment that isn't conducive to commiting crime in the first place. No broken windows, no drug dealers taking over the streets, no public drinking, and yes no gang bangers carrying guns. COPS was an unambiguous success.

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I guess you all are right.

Clinton: record number of jobs created, biggest economic expansion in history, record surplus, rising income among all sectors.

Bush, decliining wages for 8 years, lower Dow Jones than when he took office, record defecit, smaller number of jobs created than Clinton did in any 2 years, two wars, tanking economy, worst financial crisis since great depression. Must be Clinton's fault.

It's obvious Bush has been much better than Clinton. Makes sense to me. Up is down, day is night, black is white, right?
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If it swims like a Duck, quacks like a Duck, and looks like a Duck then around here we call it a Duck.
I don't know about the rest of you but my wages have more than doubled in the last 8 years.
Clinton benefited from Reagan economic policies.
Thanks to Clinton we have NAFTA and the current crisis. which are inter-related.
Check out the link, its right there. I didn't take you to raise, you have to do a little on your own you know.
So yes civetcat a good part of it is Clinton's doing, not all, but a good part but you cannot bring yourself to acknowledge that can you?
If Clinton had acted and gave the go ahead to take out Bin Laden then 9/11 probably would not have happened and we would not be in Afghanistan.
Iraq was a UN adventure led by the US so get over it.
Dow lower than Clinton? Economy worse than Clinton? Get off those wing nut websites and read the truth. You'll be a better man for it.

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PS Expat you have a reactionary view of police. Good policing stops crime before it happens by creating an environment that isn't conducive to commiting crime in the first place. No broken windows, no drug dealers taking over the streets, no public drinking, and yes no gang bangers carrying guns. COPS was an unambiguous success.

You cannot stop most crime before it happens without trampling on peoples rights, but hey, that's OK for the democrats though isn't it.

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