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I too don't understand why people don't vote. It is such a privilege and not to be taken for granted.

You know, if we turn out to be right and SoCo wrong it will be a hollow and sad victory because it will mean our country is in trouble along with our rights.

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WesternHunter wrote:
I agree. I don't think SoCoKHntr is a plant either. He is simply a democrat with differing views than ours. I think JTapia was out of line with those type of accusations about SoCoKHntr.

For the record, neither I nor anyone else ever said SoCoHntr was a plant.

WesternHunter, I don't believe I was out of line on anything I wrote. I never made any accusations toward SoCoHntr but merely stated my conclusion as to SoCoHntrs' statements and demeanor in this thread and others on this forum.

I will explain my statements point by point here for all who believe that I somehow bashed SoCoHntr.

1-"SoCoKHntr sounds like a teenager who listens to the radio too much. Most of his/her comments are straight from the moveon.org website."
Even though SoCoHntr started out with some very thought provoking posts every time someone tried to debate SoCoHntr or disagree with SoCoHntr statements or beliefs they were lam blasted with all sorts of insults and plagiarisms just like a kid. Couple that with the almost verbatim statements from moveon.org and SoCoHntr sounds like a teenager.
2-"He/she"
SoCoKHntr never revealed their gender and after reading several lengthy post by SoCoKHntr on racism and such, I wanted to be politically correct and not assume that they were a man or woman. Not an insult hurled at SoCoKHntr by any means and that SoCoKHntr took it that way means I owe them an apology. SoCoKHntr I apologize to you for that.
3-"obviously has no military experience"
Myself coming from a military family, I saw nothing in SoCoKHntrs' post that would lead me to believe that they were ever in the military as the very core of Military Values and Structure was absent in SoCoKHntr's Posts, they being Honor, Respect, and Discipline.
4- "probably is not even a hunter, but rather a PETA member in disguise"
SoCoKHntr doesnt seem bothered that they may be reduced to "throwing rocks" rather than shooting their firearms. After reading SoCoKHntrs' post where PETA was foreign to SoCoKHntr, I retract that statement. After all you can't be a member if you don't know what it is !!
5-"Ex, I would no longer engage in debate with this person who believes that your son and all the other American Heroes, who have laid down their lives for the very freedoms that Obama will take away from us, got what they deserved for hurting poor innocent civilians who just happened to be outside shooting RPG's at pigeons that just happened to be alighted on some American Humvee."
Even though SoCoKHntr offered sympathy to expatriate, they went on with statements such as these-"Let me ask you, if you woke up one day and a foreign army had invaded the US and a foreign gov. was telling you how to live from the barrel of a gun would you being the hunter, free spirit, country man, lay down and go with the program? Or would you take up your rifles and start sniping the occupying force and fighting for your life?

Well how in the hell can you blame them." and "The main Combatants in Iraq are Nationalists."

Even though I think these statements speak for themselves I will elaborate somewhat. What I got from these statements was that If you are an invading army(US and Coalition Forces ) then when these "Nationalists" Kill you (snipe was the analogy) well then who can blame them? We, US and Coalition Forces, should not have been there enforcing UN resolutions, hence they got what they had coming to them.

6-"This person is offensive and insensitive and Anti- American as well."
Every time somebody disagreed with SoCoKHntr they would be called, "delusional", "Ignorant", "dishonest", "incapable of thinking for themselves" and they "disgust" SoCoKHntr.
Why is it that Retarded was used in such a derogatory manner by SoCoKHntr?
Pretty upsetting to those of us that have family members, friends and co-workers who would be considered mentally challenged.

So WesternHunter, I don't believe I was out of line, maybe unpopular, but not out of line and as I stated this is just my belief based on SoCoKHntrs' statements and demeanor. It was not my intent to have SoCoKHntr leave the discussion only some advice to expatriate and my agreeing with Whelland.
I stand by my conclusions.

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Thanks for clearing some of that up.

Plain and simple. You can't accuse someone of being a PETA member in disguise if you are not certain that they in fact are. Nothing that I've read from SoCo tells me he/she is affiliated with PETA. SoCo simply has some liberal viewpoints and may be a bit misinformed on some issues, but then again just because we are right wing conservatives does not mean we haven't been lied to by conservatives in authority and may be a bit misinformed on some issues as well.

You have absoluley no way of knowing for sure if someone is current military or former military, just because of their own personal opinions about world affairs. I know guys, especially some Vietman era combat vets who have some pretty liberal views regarding politics and military action. My own father is a WWII combat vet, not a rear supply clerk, or battalion staff, no he was a real infantry troop. He hates violence against anything for all but the most serious of reasons. He probably hates violence for a real genuine good reason....he's seen it's effects on people to their full extent pal. Just because someone disagrees with military action does not mean they were never a military vet. As far as honor, respect and dicipline......I know guys who have been military and are currently military and some of them clearly do not hold these values. Unless you have proof on paper and records to prove, you have no way of knowing who is really military or not.

So when you make a blind comment as you did, well you are free to do so. I'm simply saying it is out of line since you cannot be sure of SoCo's background. Nothing wrong with taking offence to various comments though and nothing wrong with responding directly to comments made as long as we all keep it in context. We just have to be careful of what we accuse people of just because we don't see eye to eye with them. That's called defamation and that has some very destructive effects.

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Western Hunter, I really appreciate the points you have made. When I first read the insinuations of no military service, peta plant, which is in fact calling my a liar, i got a little fired up. I thought what could I do post a copy of my DD 214, post pics of me hunting, or when I was in the military. Then I thought if I went through all of that I'd look pretty darn foolish. If he is that threatened by someone who disagrees with him that he is compelled to slander them that's his business and of no concern to me.

I have posted pics (look at post history if you already haven't) of me and by bull elk from last year. I have a buck antelope rifle tag, a muzzleloader bull, buck, and bear, tag for this year and will be doing plenty of yote hunting as well. I plan on hunting my tail off this September and more pics can be expected hopefully of a nice bull and buck.

Here is a pic of me hunting elk from a couple a years ago. I will add that one however foolish it makes me look.

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SoCoKHntr wrote:
Western Hunter, I really appreciate the points you have made. When I first read the insinuations of no military service, peta plant, which is in fact calling my a liar, i got a little fired up. I thought what could I do post a copy of my DD 214, post pics of me hunting, or when I was in the military. Then I thought if I went through all of that I'd look pretty darn foolish. If he is that threatened by someone who disagrees with him that he is compelled to slander them that's his business and of no concern to me.

I have posted pics (look at post history if you already haven't) of me and by bull elk from last year. I have a buck antelope rifle tag, a muzzleloader bull, buck, and bear, tag for this year and will be doing plenty of yote hunting as well. I plan on hunting my tail off this September and more pics can be expected hopefully of a nice bull and buck.

Here is a pic of me hunting elk from a couple a years ago. I will add that one however foolish it makes me look.

The photo is obviously fake - definitely photo shopped.

neener! Just kidding of course! Big smile

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You know it is actually quite possible that he is a member of PETA........People for the Eating of Tasty Animals lol

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Hey CVC, don't go make me post one mooning the camera holding a newspaper with today's date on it, I'll do it!

Kidding, kidding, I would never do such a thing probably break the camera.

Shame on You!

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