I agree that this fellow is hopeless.
Just a couple thoughts before I'm done.
Every Democratic president since Andrew Johnson in 1865-69 has used military force against a sovereign nation without being attacked first. Johnson was a little iffy, because America was broken after the Civil War. But I should point out, though, that the states that attacked the US in that conflict chose a Democrat as their president.
Don't try to tell me Jimmy Carter didn't do it, because he sent forces into combat in Iran. Just because he got them killed before they made contact with the enemy doesn't mean it doesn't count.
If you study history, the Mexican American War, Spanish American War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the Balkans all began under Democratic leadership.
On the other hand, since the War of 1812 the only Republicans to initiate military action against a sovereign nation without a precipitating attack against the US were Reagan and the Bushes.
So IMO the Democrats have absolutely no credibility when they act horrified that a president would take military action. They practically invented the concept, and are renowned for it.
As for the Germany analogy, I stand by it. If I use the Left's arguments, our war against Germany was unjust and illegal because Germany never attacked us. Furthermore, Pearl Harbor was FDR's fault because it happened on his watch. He obviously ignored intel warning of the attack, to include Billy Mitchell predicting the day of the week, time of day (within minutes), type of attack , forces to be used, and even the direction of the attack -- all in 1925. So Roosevelt ignored intel for almost nine years before the attack. But I suppose that was because he wanted war with Japan in order to get cheap watches and smaller radios. As for Germany, I suppose he initiated that war in order to pay of the rich industrialists. It really isnt' a stretch to make the comparison, other than to point out that FDR had a whole lot more warning than Bush did.
Simply astounding. My assertion is Bush did the wrong thing and your argument is to bring up past wars going back two hundred years. Leaders in your examples whether on the 'right' or 'left' may have made good or bad choices told the truth or lied. Humans aren't perfect or beyond dishonorable actions no matter which 'party' they choose.
My argument isn't that everything has always been perfect up to the point Bush came into office or wars were fought for perfect reasons. And, my concern isn't things of the long gone past, but what is going on now in my lifetime at the present. In my view even taking the examples you have given there has never been an example of an administration so blatantly manipulating the American people and then even after getting what they wanted bungling it with what looks like the highest level of incompetence this country has ever seen.
You and others who think like you are so entrenched in a mentality of 'LEFT VS RIGTHT' 'US VS THEM' 'REBUP VS DEM', that you can't see the forrest for the trees. A stamp has been implanted on your brain that Dems = evil communists, steal your guns and bible, surrender and appease terrorists, that is the only thing you see and are therefore unable to debate an issue because you go into the debate with your mind made up already. I happen to be a Democrat but that doesn't mean I think their perfect and don't have the human faults of greed, corruption, power hunger, like any other human, politician, man, or woman, has.
What you fail to understand is how a political party can use you for their means by simply telling you "those evil bad guys are going to take your guns, but don't worry we are here to protect you". They comfort you with that and then have you in their pocket to use when needed. Yet it's the common middle class man who pays for this with their sons and daughters, with health care costs, with putting food on the table. No one is talking about a handout but rather a fair chance and level playing field. Instead of a world where fat cat CEO's who have more money then they can spend in a lifetime reap windfall profits while we struggle to fill our tanks and pay our medical bills.
I just don't understand how you guys don't see what to me is the truth. Well, I guess that is the nature of man and man will always disagree to the end of time. I will also bow out of this thread and politics here as it's mainly a Rush L. inspired forum. I will pop back in year after Obama's in office just to see if anyone is interested in being honest about any guns lost.
In closing don't let one person like me ruffle your feathers or get your heart rate up. I'm just one man with my own opinion. And, for the record I am a hunter and damn good one as well as a veteran. I'm no plant or whatever hell else that one guy tried to say about me.