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I have had my eyes open for the last 7 1/2 years. I can also say that I am better off now than what I was then. My wife and I have both worked very hard to receive promotions and pay raises to improve our financial situation. Furthermore, we did not spend beyond our means and are very "conservative" with our finances. None of this was done by asking the government for any free handout's. It was all done on our own merit.

I can also debate topics other than race:

Taxes: BHO's proposed tax increases from 15% to 30% on capital gains is irresponsible. Most Americans have thier retirement funds where it will be directly affected by this proposal.

Gun Control: Look at BHO's voting record. He is no friend to gun owners or hunters anywhere. When it comes to appointments to the Supreme Court you can bet your behind that he will appoint anti-gun justices to the highest court.

Oil prices: The Democrats ran during the mid-term elections with a promise to lower gas prices, but they have doubled. The Democrats have done nothing. We just need to stop caving to the environmentalists and drill for oil here on our own soil.

Health care: Who is going to foot the bill for a government health care system? My taxes will go up and my quality of health care will go down. I just don't think I should have to pay for someone elses health care.

The war: If you haven't been paying attention, we are winning with the new plan and are making progress. My son is currently serving in the Persian Gulf and he agrees. Besides, most of the problems in the middle east can be traced back to Jimmy Carter. Carter pushed the Shah of Iran out of the country and allowed Khomeini to take over and take our citizens hostage. He then paid billions of dollars to have them released. This just proved to all of the radical's in the region that we were weak and opened the flood gates to terrorism.

Abortion: Maybe I shouldn't bring this up here, but this is a topic that's very important to me. I have 4 children and 2 granchildren. I remember the first time I felt each one of them kick in the womb and I knew that it was a child. No one can convince me otherwise. We can talk about women's rights, but we should also consider the rights of the child.

Lastly SoCo, my mother is polish and my wife and 2 daughters are blonde's. If you've ever laughed at a joke for either, that would make you a racist or a sexist, right? But not to worry, I'll just brush it off.

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Whelland - I agree with all you wrote. I would just add one thing.

Regardless of how one feels about the war in Iraq, the Democrats ran on a ticket of ending it. Just another promise not kept.

I suspect the only promise BHO will keep is to raise taxes.

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SoCo, don't even go there and talk about whether I'd be willing to forgo hunting to go to Iraq. I've done my time in the AOR, and am still doing my part keeping your butt safe. On the day my first grandchild was born, I was in Afghanistan, my son-in-law was in Iraq, and my son was at Ft Benning. Furthermore, as anyone who's been on this forum for any length of time knows, I lost that son in Baghdad in Dec 06. The day you joined this forum, I was standing on a frozen tarmac in Montana saluting the plane returning my son's remains in a box you couldn't fit a volleyball in.

Don't even presume to talk to me about the price of war. WHAT ABOUT YOU?? What have you given up? What has it cost you or your family? I'd really like to hear about how tough this war has been on you.

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Expatriate,

May God Bless you and yours.

To the rest of you folks. If you want to keep your guns I suggest you join the NRA or upgrade your membership. I went to Life member the day Clinton got elected. Give the gift of membership to a friend or relative. Think Bush is bad? Go to "Ann Coulter" and read her column about Bush. It may make you feel better about "W".

Obama is the most liberal member of the senate. If you are old enough to remember think about the havoc caused by Jimmy Carter and a Dem congress. We are still paying for some of Carter's stupidity with iran.

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expatriate wrote:
SoCo, don't even go there and talk about whether I'd be willing to forgo hunting to go to Iraq. I've done my time in the AOR, and am still doing my part keeping your butt safe. On the day my first grandchild was born, I was in Afghanistan, my son-in-law was in Iraq, and my son was at Ft Benning. Furthermore, as anyone who's been on this forum for any length of time knows, I lost that son in Baghdad in Dec 06. The day you joined this forum, I was standing on a frozen tarmac in Montana saluting the plane returning my son's remains in a box you couldn't fit a volleyball in.

Don't even presume to talk to me about the price of war. WHAT ABOUT YOU?? What have you given up? What has it cost you or your family? I'd really like to hear about how tough this war has been on you.

I am a vet, my dad is a vet, my grandad is a vet, so you don't need to lecture me about service to this country. I wish your son was still alive and still with you to enjoy all the good things life has to offer. I wish he and any one else innocent on the Iraqi side (many innocents women, children, and non combatants have been needlessly killed) were still here. They aren't because men who wouldn't offer that same sacrifice in their time started a war based on manipulation if not outright lies for desires that are less then honorable and darn sure not in defense of this country.

No sir, don't presume to lecture me from a high horse as you are not and never have been 'protecting my butt'. I protect what is mine and if a true threat warranted defense of this country I would be there at a moments notice again!

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The President acted on the available intell. Many allies and Dems agreed at the time. Now the mainstream press (totally in the tank for Dems sad ) and the Dems are using the war for Political hay to get their power back sad . It's disgusting that those people undermine our country for political gain. Tell a lie enough times and eventually it will become the accepted truth. As for me let me ask you this. How many of you honestly believed approximately 7 yrs would go by and we would not be hit again. Do you remember the attacks that Clinton did little or nothing about? Better to fight them there with our military than here with Firemen and Policemen. Yes

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Del in KS wrote:
The President acted on the available intell. Many allies and Dems agreed at the time. Now the mainstream press (totally in the tank for Dems sad ) and the Dems are using the war for Political hay to get their power back sad . It's disgusting that those people undermine our country for political gain. Tell a lie enough times and eventually it will become the accepted truth. As for me let me ask you this. How many of you honestly believed approximately 7 yrs would go by and we would not be hit again. Do you remember the attacks that Clinton did little or nothing about? Better to fight them there with our military than here with Firemen and Policemen. Yes

The Dems after 9/11 were spineless and scared to do what they needed to do to stop Bush. There was a wave of support for neo con policy at that time that was near political suicide for anyone who opposed the right. I wish there would have been some brave people on both the right and left but no one did. You refuse to believe it, but the fact is Bush and his administration manipulated the country through a complicit media with tales of mushroom clouds as smoking guns, ties to al qaeda, yellow cake and auliminum tubes, which have all been proven to be false. Hell, Scott Mcllelan (sp?) has confirmed this ( I know you'll write him off somehow as you do anyone who tells the truth about Bush). I supported Bush's actions 100% when he took action against Bin Laden, al qaeda, and the Taliban, but I will never agree with the phoney BS that was and is Iraq. That action was moronic as well as deceitful. The Dems again are surely at fault for being weak, but they aren't the ones who orchestrated the idiotic actions are lies that carried it.

The ones who disgust me are those on the right who supported this atrocity and the ones who still support in light of all of the information that has been brought to light regarding it. We have soldiers who have lost their lives, limbs, minds scarred by horrors and atrocities, and the repubs don't even want to help them by improving GI benefits. Dick five deferrement I had better things to do Cheney and Bush I'm golfing and AWOL while others fight in Vietnam Bush couldn't care less about the common man yet surprisingly it is the common man who support them the most. I really can't understand the disconnnect when it comes to the thinking of people who feel these guys were good for this country.

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SOCO,

I don't have time to explain where you are wrong in everything you mention. Expect you would just come up with more lib talking points anyway. Suffice to say we disagree. Wait until 'Bama gets elected and you will see just how bad the economy can get with Jimmy Carter the 2nd in the WH and a Dem congress running things. Might want to learn how to hunt with rocks.

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BTW SOCO,

Just like the libs I see on TV you did not answer my questions. You just came back with more lib talking points. We were attacked many times under Clinton and only once so far under Bush.

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SoCoKHntr wrote:
I am a vet, my dad is a vet, my grandad is a vet, so you don't need to lecture me about service to this country. I wish your son was still alive and still with you to enjoy all the good things life has to offer. I wish he and any one else innocent on the Iraqi side (many innocents women, children, and non combatants have been needlessly killed) were still here. They aren't because men who wouldn't offer that same sacrifice in their time started a war based on manipulation if not outright lies for desires that are less then honorable and darn sure not in defense of this country.

No sir, don't presume to lecture me from a high horse as you are not and never have been 'protecting my butt'. I protect what is mine and if a true threat warranted defense of this country I would be there at a moments notice again!

You really amaze me. While you're mourning the poor "innocent" civlians who placed the IED that killed my son, you can mourn all the innocent civilians that hijacked four airliners on Sept 11th. Or the ones that blew up the Cole, Khobar Towers, the embassies, the WTC (first time), and the Marine Barracks in Beirut. Pity the innocent civilians launching rockets at me in Afghanistan. If you want to go back in history, you can cry for all the civilians wearing black pajamas in Vietnam.

If you actually did some research instead of just parroting dogma, you'd find that the vast majority of actual noncombatant casualties in Iraq are caused by Iraqis. And they didn't do it for oil, or because of Bush. They did it because they live in a world of Islamist hate that can't stomach the idea of democracy and things like human rights.

To be honest, you're probably right -- thinking about protecting you doesn't motivate me. What motivates me is the Afghan I once saw listening to a radio and singing while stocking shelves -- things that would have got him a death sentence under the Taliban. The people we're fighting in Iraq have the same vision for that country that the Taliban has for Afghanistan.

Say what you want about Bush, but the fact remains that there hasn't been a single terrorist attack against us outside of Iraq or Afghanistan in nearly 7 years. His record on this matter is far better than the Dem's hero Clinton. And it's certainly far better than Jimmy Carter.

There hasn't been a Democratic president that effectively rose to confront aggression since Harry Truman. And Barrack is no Truman.

Oh, and while you're spouting about people sending soldiers off to war without serving themselves, we can discuss Clinton's Vietnam service and his forays into Somalia and the Balkans.

Democrats start wars because of their hopeless naiievte and willingness to sympathize with aggressors more than their own people. They fail wars because they don't understand it. They look war as an equation that produces a death rate of so many soldiers per thousand deployed. That's why they commit as little as possible and just get people killed, rather than committing enough to get the job done and reduce casualties on both sides.

I've had it with them. I had a Democratic US senator standing behind me at my son's graveside service. Apparently he liked what he saw, because he then went to Washington and started supporting policies that would produce more funerals just like it. War is Hell, and no one dislikes it more than the people fighting it -- which is why we prefer to get it done right.

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