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I saw a Presidential poll this morning:

43% Obama
41% McCain

What are people thinking?

I've had a few political debates over the last few days. I'm surprized at how many people are voting for a democrat simply, because they consider themselves democrats. They cannot even intelligently debate the issues due to the rhetoric they've listened too. They haven't even researched voting records to find the truth.

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I heard one today as well I think it was a rueters but it survey 25,000 people of all demographics and the final score was
Mccain:44.4%
Obama:44.6%
Undecided:11%

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We've long ago lost control of our elections to the media. I guarantee you that in the coming months the media will report that the race is neck and neck, with Obama pulling ahead. This is why there was so much outrage when Bush won in 2000 and 2004 -- they spun it so much for Gore and Kerry that people thought something must've been crooked at the polls.

That's what they do. It's what they always do. They're an industry that sells a product and, like any reality TV show, drama sells.

They've handled every race that I can recall that way -- even back in '84, which they said was pretty close right up until Reagan got a 48 state landslide.

But what has me concerned is that they've gone beyond drama hype and into downright activism. This is becoming increasingly obvious with every election as they discover the public lets them get away with it. A couple days ago, for example, Obama was trying to reinvent his position on Iran by talking tough about Israel to solicit Jewish support. He was widely quoted as saying "Jerusalem needs to remain the undivided capitol of Israel."

Only one problem -- Tel Aviv is he capitol of Israel, not Jerusalem. The guy claims to have all the answers in the middle east and is Israel's staunchest ally, and yet he doesn't know the capitol of the the most contentious nation over there. What amazed me was that the press gave him a complete buy on it -- covered the speech without a word about the gaffe. If he was Republican it would've been all over the news, with everyone screaming about what an idiot the guy was.

Make no mistake...the media's in the tank for Obama and is spinning everything in his favor. Photos of Obama will make him look heroic and messianic, and photos of McCain will make him look small, old and crotchety. Anything McCain says about Obama will include explanation on where Obama stands on the issue, but anything Obama says about McCain will stand alone. Mistakes by McCain will be magnified and analyzed under a microscope, but those made by Obama will be swept away as irrelevant or a product of mean-spirited politics.

The spin is going to start right now with stories about how the Democratic party is miraculously healing itself and rallying behind Obama with amazing unity.

Nixon's sweaty upper lip in the 1960 debate with Kennedy taught the media that they can decide elections by how they present the candidates. Since then, they've been flexing their muscle more with every election and every consolidation of media ownership.

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Something that no one, to my knowledge, has mentioned. Most likely since it is not politically correct and therefore must not be said is the fact that Obama is not black. He is mixed race. But it is must more appealing to refer to him as the first serious black presidential candidate than as the first mixed-race presidential candidate.

Why does Obama focus on his black heritage while forgetting his white heritage?

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I think the media tends to focus on his color more than himself.

Anyway, I think it is too early to focus much on polls if even at all. According to the polls, these two never should have matched up. Let them get a vp selected and get a few debates under their belts before even considering the polls.

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CVC wrote:
Something that no one, to my knowledge, has mentioned. Most likely since it is not politically correct and therefore must not be said is the fact that Obama is not black. He is mixed race. But it is must more appealing to refer to him as the first serious black presidential candidate than as the first mixed-race presidential candidate.

Why does Obama focus on his black heritage while forgetting his white heritage?

Obama is only black when he is rallying for black support. He even changes his lingo to sound more black. But surely he is mixed race. Hillary is the same way when she is in New York, she's a new yorker. When she's in the south, she's a southerner. I don't really care what gender or color the next President is as long as they stand right on ceratin issues, which the two dems won't. Anyone though would do a better job than George W has done. I'm a right-wing concervative Republican, but I still wish we could unelect Bush, what a disgrace. That should say something!!

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I don't think color has a thing to do with it -- but it's a trump card people often throw to dodge criticism.

It ain't about Obama's race, and I think we as a nation have moved way past that. I could care less what race he is; what I DO care about is far-left policies that will place government control above civil liberties, destroy an already-fragile economy, and create international conditions that will precipitate WWIII.

But what truly frightens me is that the guy is setting himself up as someone who can't be questioned. The list of things that are "unfair" to ask him about keeps growing. Talk about the politics of fear -- he's using fear to preempt criticism. That kind of thing has been used too many times before by some bad people.

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Yup, that evil Mainstream Media Mind Control that didn't help Bush sell a phony war (right) has gotten to me with their tricks. Gosh darnit I'm voting for Obama even though his wife said Whitey. (I don't really believe she said and could care less if she did).

Most of you guys who are obviously white republicans let me ask you a question and your most sincere honesty would be greatly appreciated. When you guys are in your hunting camps most likely populated by other white republicans or at the very least white guys, how many of you have used the N word or called Hispanics greasers and wetbacks and asians gooks or chinks?

Maybe some of you haven't but I will bet a great many of you have or have had partners in camp, work, or other say such things or make jokes you have laughed at. You know that's alright if you do that no tears off my cheek, but to feign indignation at the rumor of something being said like that, to jump on it like cat pouncing on a mouse really just shows desperation.

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I'll step up and say no I don't refer to other races by derogatory slang words. I don't believe the color of a person's skin defines who they are - it is their character that defines them as a person.

I left the Democrat party because it made me sick to my stomach to see Ted Kennedy grilling Clarence Thomas about ethics.

One of my favorite, but unfortunately, unelectable political candidates is Alan Sharp. He is one of the brightest politicians you'll ever see.

Also, it is a crutch to use racial ephitets to attack someone. Dig into one intellectual inventory and articulate what, besides skin color offends you about someone.

Part of my dislike of Obama is that I truly believe he is racist. I do not believe that you sit in a church and listen to hate filled sermons about white people and not agree with the message.

I believe that not discriminating means not discriminating against anyone of any race - white men included.

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CVC, I will say from my past communications with you that I believe you when you say you don't. I've been around along enough from my youth and friends, military time, jobs, hunting friends and camps, to have heard many whites talk and use very derogatory terms to describe non whites.

Do I think all of them are racist? No, just often times insensitive or ignorant or just don't care. It exists, I accept it and move on.

What I don't like is all of these white republicans who probably if truth be told have used a derogatory word here and there in friendly confines to act all offended and hurt to a rumor of someone using the word "whitey".

Do I think the Rev. Wright was stupid, hell yes, for making those stupid comments. But, the big but, is I understand their anger being of a latino background. Both of my parents are college educated professionals, we lived and I was raised in an upper middle class environment and I had been called dirty Mexican, heard Mexicans are lazy, Greaser, many times growing up from white peers who no doubt were exposed to this at home.

How do you think a black man growing up in the forties, fifties, and sixties, felt with the outright racism they felt in those times?

Do I think Obama is racist? Well, I think he is about as racist as you and I don't think you are.

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I'm with CVC on this one. I am definitely NOT a racist either, and I don't appreciate the insinuation. I was also a democrat, but was converted to right wing politics by Ronald Reagan. It had nothing to do with race.

My future son-in-law is hispanic and I love him like he is my own son. I've also shared hunting camps with black and hispanic folks that are my dear friends. I do not make racist comments. Therefore, you shouldn't place all white people in that portion of such an ignorant category.

With that being said, I've heard racist comments on both sides. I just can't understand why it's such a double standard. I've also heard black people use the "N" word. As far as I'm concerned, it's wrong no matter who says it.

You have Reverend Wright, Father Pfleger and Louis Farrakhan in the Obama camp speaking their words of hatred toward white people. If people in John McCain's camp were speaking like this against blacks, there would be lawsuits everywhere, and he would be crucified by the media.

Is Obama a racist?.......probably
Is McCain a racist?.......probably not

Racism is ignorant and wong no matter what race you are from. I am not a Republican based on race. I am a Republican, because I believe the Democrats want us to become a socialist country and eliminate all of the freedoms we hold so dear. I will not give up my freedoms in order to have the government take care of me. I can do that just fine myself, thank you very much.

One final thought: Abraham Lincoln was the 1st Republican President and he abhored slavery and racism. That's right, the Republicans freed the slaves. The Democrats fought for states rights and slavery. Now what party do you want to be associated with?

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