Congrats to SoCo and civetcat on their victory.
I hope that things go well for Obama and he doesn't do half of what he said he'll do.
If he does....then may God help us.
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Tue, 2008-11-04 22:33
Congrats to SoCo and civetcat on their victory.
Tue, 2008-11-04 23:04#1
Thank you but the congratulations belongs to all of us as Americans, truly a country where anything is possible.
Wed, 2008-11-05 00:15#2
When you consider the thought that the word "anything" includes negatives as well as positives, I agree with you.
I think this election will go down in history as significant for two things. First, it marks a culminating achievement in race relations. Second, it marks the moment when the media realized the power it has to decide the political composition of the nation.
The next four years will be interesting as more people rely on alternate media sources for information. Mainstream news has been in continual decline, and it appears we're reaching a fork in the road. One fork goes toward more chaos, innuendo, and confusion as web-based media sources compete for public opinion. The other fork goes toward reinstatement of the fairness doctrine and regulation of the internet. Mainstream media sources will have to adapt to alternate outlets, or else press for regulation to preserve their traditional power base.
One advantage of the first option is more diversity of opinion and information. But on the other hand, it leads to information overload and people not trusting any of it -- so they form opinions that may or may not be valid, and vote accordingly. I think we saw a lot of that skepticism in this election.
But at any rate, it has been fascinating to watch the way the media has shaped things, and how the nation has gone so willingly where the press led them.
Wed, 2008-11-05 05:17#3
Diversity of opinion is good only when the group or country share common core values. We, as a nation, are diverse and do not share common core values. We are fractured and divided which weakens us.
Will the Obama be the one to unite us? We will see, but we do need to be united if we are to remain strong.
Wed, 2008-11-05 07:35#4
God bless President Elect Obama. I didn't vote for him and I'm concerned about where this country may be headed, but I'm willing to give the guy a shot to win me over... he definitely didn't do it in the campaign. Being President of the USA has got to be a tougher row to hoe than any of us can imagine, at this point, he has my support and prayers.
Wed, 2008-11-05 08:09#5
I am glad an a few different levels and I feel America is in good hands. I thought Mccain gave a most gracious and positive speech accepting defeat. It was the first time I felt that positive about him. I know we hunters here don't see eye to eye, but it's time to give the man a chance to lead us and my hope his that it will lead us as a Country to a place of strength, security, and economic prosperity, for all of us.
Wed, 2008-11-05 08:17#6
Looks like they're already trying to develop the spin they'll need. I'm seeing headlines that Obama is inheriting the worst economic crisis in 70 years and two (?) wars. In Obama's speech, he also talked a lot about how long things will take.
In other words: prepare for four years of blaming every failure on what they inherited from the Bush administration. People like Obama need a boogeyman to blame things on, and the Democrats have been using Bush for 8 years. I'm curious to see what the new boogeyman will be, but I worry that the new boogeyman will be conservatives in general. Some of the thug tactics seen in the campaign concern me, and I hope that in coming years we can discuss political issues with civility, rather than by suppressing opposition with bullying and ostracism.
Wed, 2008-11-05 08:28#7
The American people, those that voted for him and those that didn't, need to Obama to his word. He promised the world and he needs to deliver.
I've made a list and will use it to gauge how he performs.
1. The market should reward drive and innovation and generate growth, but that businesses should live up to their responsibilities to create American jobs, look out for American workers, and play by the rules of the road.
2. The government should protect us from harm and provide every child a decent education; keep our water clean and our toys safe; invest in new schools and new roads and new science and technology.
3. Our government should work for us, not against us. It should help us, not hurt us. It should ensure opportunity not just for those with the most money and influence, but for every American who's willing to work.
4. Change means a tax code that doesn't reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it.
5. I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.
6. I will eliminate capital-gains taxes for the small businesses and the startups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.
7. I will cut taxes — cut taxes — for 95 percent of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle class.
8. I will set a clear goal as president: In 10 years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East.
9. As president, I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power.
10. I'll help our auto companies retool, so that the fuel-efficient cars of the future are built right here in America.
11. I'll make it easier for the American people to afford these new cars.
12. I'll invest 150 billion dollars over the next decade in affordable, renewable sources of energy — wind power and solar power and the next generation of biofuels; an investment that will lead to new industries and 5 million new jobs that pay well and can't ever be outsourced.
13. I'll invest in early-childhood education.
14. I'll recruit an army of new teachers, and pay them higher salaries and give them more support. And in exchange, I'll ask for higher standards and more accountability.
15. And we will keep our promise to every young American — if you commit to serving your community or your country, we will make sure you can afford a college education.
16. Now is the time to finally keep the promise of affordable, accessible health care for every single American. If you have health care, my plan will lower your premiums. If you don't, you'll be able to get the same kind of coverage that members of Congress give themselves. And as someone who watched my mother argue with insurance companies while she lay in bed dying of cancer, I will make certain those companies stop discriminating against those who are sick and need care the most.
17. Now, many of these plans will cost money, which is why I've laid out how I'll pay for every dime — by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens that don't help America grow. But I will also go through the federal budget, line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work and making the ones we do need work better and cost less — because we cannot meet 21st century challenges with a 20th century bureaucracy.
18. I will end this war in Iraq responsibly, and finish the fight against al-Qaida and the Taliban in Afghanistan.
19. I will rebuild our military to meet future conflicts.
20. I will also renew the tough, direct diplomacy that can prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons and curb Russian aggression.
21. I will build new partnerships to defeat the threats of the 21st century: terrorism and nuclear proliferation; poverty and genocide; climate change and disease.
22. I will restore our moral standing, so that America is once again that last, best hope for all who are called to the cause of freedom, who long for lives of peace, and who yearn for a better future.
Wed, 2008-11-05 08:36#8
Good goals. I'm not completely against democratic principles. For example, I'm a big believer in education, because it's an investment -- fund someone's degree and they'll repay the investment through taxes they'll pay in higher income brackets.
But I disagree with the idea of a nanny state that takes care of you from cradle to grave and protects you from yourself. Aside from the fact that such a thing would bankrupt us, the more a society relies on its government for the basics of life, the more power that government has over society -- and the founding fathers were big opponents of government having too much control over individuals.
Wed, 2008-11-05 08:36#9
I just hope you are realistic as well and don't start crying failure one week after the election when he hasn't even been sworn in yet.
Wed, 2008-11-05 08:53#10
Hey, in my opinion last night was a failure. In my opinion, the country has chosen style over substance and has chosen a course that will potentially redefine American democracy -- and I don't mean in a good way.
I took an oath to support and defend the constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that's how I voted. I'm disappointed that the country would elect an administration that could potentially have such adverse effects on the 1st and 2nd amendments.
If I cry, it's over the idea that my son's bloodstain on the streets of Baghdad will be wasted if he pulls out badly and blows the emerging peace in Iraq. I also cry over the thought of how many of my young people may suffer if foreign policy is botched and they get sent to some awful corner of the world and die because of ridiculous ROEs and shortages of people and equipment.
Personally, I'm curious to see what happens to military retention. On one hand, I can see a lot of people dropping retirement paperwork in disgust. But on the other, I can see a lot of people hanging on for four more years because they don't want to see "Hussein" on their retirement certificate.
But all that aside, I'm willing to keep an open mind and hope for the positive.