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savage99 wrote:
That non expanded X bullet was shot into an elk and found in its rear leg.

There is a significant discussion at 24 hr campfire that those mono hollow point bullets are not reliable in terms of expanding.

Any idea of the impact velocity on the elk?

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YES. 30 Cal/150 TTSX fired from 308 Win/1-12" Twist/2,880 fps/impact at 175 Yards/Cow-Calf Elk. Bullet apparently tipped on impact (meat in the nose tip) and was found in the offside leg-bone knuckle (pointed backwards).

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Num...

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Hmm, I knowBarnes work the best above 2200fps or so.
Not trying to defend Barnes, but I can say every and any mfg. can get let a lemon slip through.
Now I believe these mono bullets also go through an annealing of the nose section. My thoughts are somehow, one got got by the process. This would be a possible cause for not opening. I guess given a choices of bullet failures, I would prefer this type and have penetration. Rather than have one go to pieces
and have very little penetration.

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I wouldn't say that one got through. I'd say that the particular varibles of how that bullet hit that animal caused that bullet to not open. We just don't know why it didn't open.

did the hunter drop it in the dirt and fill the cavity with mud. Maybe it just had a ball of lint from his pocket in the tip. Maybe the angle of impact caused the bullet to immediately tumble. Maybe the impact pinched the tip closed. Who knows?

I've shot a lot of elk and deer with Barnes 140g (270WSM) and 168g (300WSM) bullets and they worked great. I've only recovered one bullet out of a mule deer shot at 200 yards. And it had a perfect expansion with one petal broke off. Most of the animals that I've hit with these bullets have been DRT. What's to complain about.

I'm not a barnes bigot. I've used Nosler Partitions and Solid Bases in several of my rifles for years. I just happened to worked up accurate loads for these two rifles with Barnes TSX and have stayed with them rather than change my loads each year.

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I've been happy with Speer Grand Slams, but also like their basic hot-core spritzer bullets as well. The grand slam is about as premium as I get, and many shooters absolutely refuse to grand the Grand Slam a premium catergory. Regardless I've been absolutley happy with results from this bullet. As far as Cor-Lokt bullets are concerned....I used to use those for elk and deer years ago before I stared reloading my own rounds and can't say that they ever failed me as long as I did my part. I think it's fair to say that the Remington Cor-Lokt bullets in appropriate calibers and weights have taken more Elk over the last 40 years than any other bullet out there.

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Some real valid points brought up in here! I love Barnes bullets, yes they're more costly than others, but I get tremendous accuracy from them and I totally trust their performance, I wont pull the trigger if the cross hairs aren't lined up on the vitals, If I cant make the shot, it don't go boom! I never trade premium bullets for sub standard shooting

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I load plainjane cup-core Sierra Prohunters for all of my deer rifles, everything from 100gr .243win, to 150gr 300WSM. For whitetail deer they do everything I could ask for, and are stupid-accurate and easy to find a load with. I've never had a failure to expand, and every deer I've shot has died in very short order. Even in the WSM at a very-high 3300FPS they work fine. About the only fault I can think of is excess bloodshot meet if you put the bullet a little to far foreward, or a little too high. I can deal with that.

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I have a friend that swears by those Sierra Prohunters, I believe we all suffer from the bloodshot meat malady! LOL

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