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expatriate wrote:
ballistic silvertips are Winchster's name for a Nosler ballistic tip. They're more for long-range ballistics and rapid opening against light targets at lower velocities associated with longer ranges. Use one on something heavy or at higher velocities, and they'll come apart.

There in your statement comes the "Magical" properties of the Ballistic Silvertip. When used on a whitetail at 100 yards with a .308 or 30-06 they blow apart on impact and cause a massive exit wound about the size of a softball.Dead deer with messy, nasty wound looks "bad arse" so it must be a great bullet.
They are absolutely a along range, low velocity expansion bullet.
I have used them with great success on Hogs out of my .308. Leaves a nice exit wound that leaves a good blood trail when standard bullets would not penetrate the neck/chest shield on the exit side which leaves no open wound for blood to leave a trail.

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There is nothing in North America I wouldn't take on with a standard cup and core bullet. I think the hype over premium bullets was developed to sell bullets, what did we do before them?

Don hit it exactly. Our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers managed to kill game quite effeciently with plain old bullets and with the exception of very thick skinned or dangerous game, premium bullets are a waste of money. Its more about bullet placement than anything else. If you can get to the vitals you can kill it. It's just that simple. On the other hand if having that magic bullet makes you feel more confident in your skill, maybe its worth the money and trouble to you.

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You know I was thinking that too. Sometimes a confidence builder can be a good thing to a certain degree. But, I'd rather have my confidence built through good productive shooting practice but to each their own.

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JTapia wrote:
.When used on a whitetail at 100 yards with a .308 or 30-06 they blow apart on impact and cause a massive exit wound about the size of a softball.Dead deer with messy, nasty wound looks "bad arse" so it must be a great bullet.

I'm not so sure that any bullet can blow apart on impact and still cause a massive exit wound! Think

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I agree Don. I would think a certain amount of the bullet would have to stay intact to allow for the penetration.

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Don Fischer wrote:
JTapia wrote:
.When used on a whitetail at 100 yards with a .308 or 30-06 they blow apart on impact and cause a massive exit wound about the size of a softball.Dead deer with messy, nasty wound looks "bad arse" so it must be a great bullet.

I'm not so sure that any bullet can blow apart on impact and still cause a massive exit wound! Think

I normally would agree with you Don and Chestergolf and I have no real evidence as I have never recovered a bullet from the carcass. I make an educated guess that the bullet blows apart based on the size of the exit wound and the tiny fragments that I do recover..about the size if a ball point pen ball.
Taken that with the "normal" bullets that I have recovered inside a Hog that left no exit wound that was located inside the shielding on the exit side of the hog and the fact that I have never lost a Hog shot with a Ballistic Silvertip because of the exit wound that I almost never got with the "normal bullet and the loss of atleast 2 per year as a result of no blood trail to follow. Those were hit good and the Pig died I am sure but did not bleed externally to be able to find in the thick swamps that are prevalent hunting grounds here.
I am no expert on bullets and their characteristics upon impact other than the 35 years of hunting experience and the personal eyewitness of the results of a dead animal shot with differing types of bullets especially Hogs. I also know that the Ballistic Silvertip was designed to expand in a low velocity impact with soft tissue and therefore it could be surmised that it would expand very quickly in a High Velocity impact with soft tissue and even faster when impacted with a hard tissue object such as the cartilage in the neck shield of a hog.I quit using Ballistic Silvertips on Deer because of the massive tissue damage that occurred on the exit side of the animal.

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The Winchester Ballistic Silver Tip is also constructed differently from say 270 Cal. to 30's and above. The jacket is thinner below .308 and is only made for thin skins. The larger caliber offerings will hold up to elk size game. I have never been in love with this bullet, but I do use the Nosler version in a 9.3 x 62 in 250 grain. This is plenty of bullet for even the big brown bears.

I try to keep my ear protection on at the range during breaks when there is a character like the one you spoke about. I take it off when the guy consistently ringing the gong at 300 yds. with open sights on his old 30-06 has something to say.

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Well, you're going to get what you pay for ! And it gets as simple as that. A bonded bullet is better than an non-bonded bullet and cost a little more. Then it just goes up from there. A year or so ago I was on here ranting about a particular cartridge( the 32grain copper case stayed in the hide and the lead killed the black bear) but it worked. A bonded bullet wouldn't/shouldn't do that. A Nosler Partition better not at their cost.
I use Nosler ballistic tips in my reloads and had none of them fail yet, either on moose or deer, and i recovered many bullets with no complaints whatsoever.
I might just get a box or two of Nosler Partitions and try them , for a change at least.

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I'll remember the ear protection thing from now on. I guess it just irks me because shooting is my favorite thing to do and someone flapping their jaw takes away from my happy time.

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I agree about better performance through credit cards. Nothing replaces using the right round for the game and terrain you intend to hunt. Put in a lot of practice with a rifle you're comfortable with in the first place and talk to other hunters about their equipment and experiences. This is common sense to most of us...but then you hear these stories.

Whether it's rifle or bow hunting I want to see the results before I spend my hard earned money for some flashy new gadget. If a guy has money to do that...great. Hopefully it provides jobs for others so they can afford to go hunting. The only "science" I care about in the great outdoors is the kind that is going to help put game in the freezer. If I fill my tags every year...why change?

I use Wolf .223 plastic tipped expanders in my Mini-14 for coyotes and coons. They drop on the spot and I haven't had too much pelt damage if my shot placement is correct. I use 300 gr semi -jacketed hollow points in my Marlin 1895G chambered in .45-70 Govt. for Bambi and 405gr semi jacketed solids (http://www.BuffaloBore.com) for the really big stuff. I don't do autopsies but when I hit them in the boiler room they go down...right then and there. That particular round works great for me because of the terrain I hunt in every year. I hunt white tails in northern WI tamarack swamps and moose/caribou in AK. These rounds drop fast after 200 yds so I don't push them too far...I just get closer for the shot. I need a heavy bullet that will make it's own path through really thick brush...not get deflected by a blade of grass. And if Yogi bear shows up uninvited while fixing dinner I can add him to the stew pot.

I really believe that the difference a particular bullet design makes isn't as important out in the field as it seems to be at the range or the gun store counter. Call me old fashioned or out of touch but if it works...it works. Listen to the old timers...they know.

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