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powerpoint summary of changes (NM)

Below is link to the implemention plan for the new rules that apply to the New Mexico draw process. I thought it might be of interest.

 

http://www.nmlegis.gov/lcs/handouts/SB%20196%20Implementation%20August%2...

 

 

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Thanks for the link with the

Thanks for the link with the new rules. It looks like my already dismal odds will get a little bit worse now. I do agree though that residents should get much better odds like this. I only apply for Oryx and antelope so far so it won't change much. I found it good but odd that you have to pay for the hunting license first but then can still get a refund if you don't draw. Hopefully I read that right but as far as I know it would be the first state to do that if I did.

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it is wierd

Originally it was not going to be refundable, that seems to be a last minute change.  I believe they will pitch keeping the license as a way to fund habitat improvement. 

 

They will restrict non-resident tags from outfitters and unit wide landowner tags.  I am unclear if they will restrict property specific landowner tags. 

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Thanks for the informative

Thanks for the informative link.  As hunter said, it appears that the odds are only geting worse.  One of the things I also really do no like is the fact that as an out of stater, you need to hire a guide to really maximize your chances to get drawn in the lottery, and even then, you odds are not great.

I understand why they do it, to maybe get some business for New Mexico residents who are guides, but I think it takes alot away fromt eh experience for guys wanting to get out and do it themselves.  i am looking at putting in for the lottery to hunt on the Valles Calderas National Preserve.  They have the percentages of who gets drawn, and it goes residents first, then non-residents who hire guides, and then DIY non-residents pick up the scraps.  Unfortunate, but seems to be the way it goes these days.

I wonder if New Mexico will feel any affect similar to what Montana has had this year.  With the increase in tag fees, and changing the drawing, it seemed to hit them hard.  Also, I am curious what the proposed move of the Oryx draw on White Sands to the general big game lottery will do for non-residents chances.  I know that even though it's expensive, it seemed to be a decent chance at drawing one of those tags as an out of stater.

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I was wonderin that on the

I was wonderin that on the Oryx also and how it will play out. I think the overall odds before were about 5% on most of the hunts. Could be even worse now but I would really like to get that tag.

The other thing about hiring guides if you do plan to use them is that in New Mexico you have to pay a pretty good sales tax on the hunt. Just another cost I don't want to factor in but I didn't plan on aguide anyway.

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Sad but true. This is

Cry baby Sad but true. This is defenately not good for us the non-residents who were already paying an obsene amount of money to hunt in New Mexico.

If the percentage of tags alloted to the non-residents was lowered, why not lower the price on the non-resident tags? Thumbs up

Game hunting fee?? What is the purpose of this??? Confused

It almost feels like were being penalized for wanting to hunt in that state.

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I believe that with all the

I believe that with all the budget shortfalls that all the states are seeing you will see a lot more non-resident tags getting increased along with having to buy a hunting license or some kind of permit before you put in for the draws.  It is a win win for the state that you are applying for.  They get the money up front for your license and odds are that you will never hunt there for small game if you don't draw out on your primary game animal. 

On some of the other forums that I am on the residents want the fees charged for tags for non-residents to go up and leave the resident tags alone.  They don't like it that a non-resident would draw a tag before they did even if the non-resident had been putting in for a lot more years. 

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